“Linux supported hardware” is an outdated phrase only used in windows propaganda today.
For desktop? Probably. For laptop, linux support can be awful, because manufacturers keep introducing hardware that don’t support standard drivers. Webcam? How about an IPU6 that needs kernel modules just to be detected and then special calibration files just so the image is not a stripey corrupted mess… How about no on-board sound because screw you I guess. How about a non standard USB controller so that you cannot even communicate over your USB ethernet dongle when the wifi is once again some special sauce non standard shit…
These are Dell and Lenovo Yoga machines at the University I work at. Some are absolute garbage where the USB is always powered and will drain the battery when the computer is turned off and no BIOS setting will disable this.
We are now looking into Tuxedo and Framework…
PS.: even windows has issues with these, where you have no touchpad and no USB anything (mouse, keyboard) until you somehow install a driver…
Yeah laptop hardware is garbage to deal with
Psht. I wish! This is wrong and will set people up for failure. There is absolutely hardware that will work well with Linux and hardware that will not.
I tend to run into problems with brand new laptops. Microphones don’t work, web cams don’t work, fingerprint readers don’t work.
I have a Dell Dell Pro next to me with a web cam that doesn’t work. Arch, btw.
I also have a Lenovo T14 where everything does work.
The point is you have to RESEARCH before you buy. Otherwise, you’re gonna get mad a Linux for not supporting your hardware, instead of being mad at yourself for not researching first.
Hardware that’s too old is problematic and hardware that’s too new can be problematic.
Wait, it isn’t the point to nuke “spy equipment” with a new OS?
No, the point is not to nuke it. One point is to have control over your own hardware and (in principle) be able to make sure the software/OS is not using your devices to spy on you.
Unfortunately this is not true. If manufacturers do not support Linux, then it is up to dedicated community members to reverse engineer drivers. Much love to these amazing people ❤️
Things have gotten much better in recent years because now Linux is seen as a legitimate operating system and not just a platform for hobbyists.
except when the manufacturer puts effort into locking out reverse engineers through cryptography.
fuck you, nvidia!
There’s still tons of devices where Linux doesn’t work properly with them.
My Intel wireless cards cannot maintain a 6ghz wireless connection for shit despite some of them being over 5 years old. And Intel. Latest stuff, older kernels, none work well. Oddly whatever version of Fedora I had worked the best. My wifi wasn’t unusable when 6ghz was an option. It only dropped to 5/2.4ghz once a minute instead of every 5-20 seconds.
For me any Wi-Fi drops were solved by disabling power saving in NetworkManager
Create a conf file:
sudo nano /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/wifi-powersave.confAdd this into the config file:
[connection] wifi.powersave = 2Then restart
NetworkManageror reboot your systemI tried this but it didn’t seem to help. Mostly because it only wants to use 5ghz. I think I tried doing a bunch of “fixes” so maybe I should just start fresh. This is on my testing machine that I don’t use regularly so only god knows what I’ve done to it.
Also did you do this on a laptop with S0 standby? How does that affect sleep?
My guess is that you are noticing the difference between new and old kernels
Sure, but that doesn’t change that it’s regressed since that one version and still hasn’t been re fixed.
If the old (or LTS) version of the kernel doesn’t support something newer, and the new version of the kernel does, that would not be a regression.
I learned this when Skylake first came out. Ubuntu LTS didn’t work on it because it was an old kernel and this was new hardware. If you have new hardware, use a new kernel.
This Fedora version was a year+ ago. Even on 7.0 wifi is unusable on my machines if I have 6ghz enabled.
it does not sound like its the new version that is better for them. more like an older version was better, newer is worse.
System 76, Tuxedo Linux, Mint, and several other Linux developing OEMs I can think of exist?..
2 separate bootloader partitions. Grub launches the windows bootloader on a different partition so it isn’t aware of anything other than itself. Then the 2nd bootloader actually launches windows. Don’t try to share one partition or else windows will inevitably wind up clobbering the Linux loader.
Windows will know, its lik a cancer
This is the way. I just discovered this, but the lazy way. If I want windows, I mash f8 on startup to get the manual boot selection. I never start windows through grub (systemd-boot in my case). It has its own EFI partition.
Then Windows will fuck up the EFI entry itself. Easy to fix of course but a pain in the ass when you are just starting with Linux and have barely any idea other than reinstalling for the 10th time in a few weeks.
My gaming PC dual boots Debian and Ubuntu
Kirk : I use a computer with an AI assistant and 1 gb of free ram. How about you?
Homer : I have a normal computer that lets me do what I want with my hardware.
Only evil if you use one disk. :)
I’d had a dedicated windows drive for a little while… Maybe a bug and not malice, but the forced Windows 8 -> 10 upgrade deleted everything on my second drive that windows wasn’t installed on
The Windows installer partition manager also does not ask for confirmation before formatting a drive. That was a costly misclick
tbh if you notice it early, it probably only deleted th partition table entry at that point
I had two disks and windows still fucked my secure boot keys somehow in a way that I wasn’t able to fix so I had to reinstall the linux side. I turned secure boot off afterwards so should be fine now but it was a thing that happened.
I needed to know this about 5 years ago, when I lost a partition on my SSD because of a poorly done dual boot.
My bootloader has survived just fine despite being dual boot for the past 2 years. It may have something to do with me only having booted windows once in all that time (to fix a borked NTFS drive) 😁
That certainly helps.
In my case the solution is two EFI partitions.
Windows finds the first and doesn’t bother looking for a second one, which happens to contain grub and my efistubs.
Windows will go ahead and clear the UEFI menu sometimes, but manually booting an efi file and then re-adding the grub and stub boot entries is small compared to having my stuff actually deleted.
i’ve quadbooted a lot before (linux/freebsd/osx/windows), it works pretty well these days with uefi. was pretty hard to handle with legacy bios though
Why no Plan9? Are you even an OS enthusiast?
What no TempleOS? YOU’LL BURN IN FLAMES!!!
lol. i only tried 9front like once but it was too difficult!
I wish it has more hardware support, it doesn’t even run on my hardware
Put Windows in a virtual machine where it belongs!
Windows does stupid things with boot because it’s apparently alone in the world.
Like this NTFS lock up thing because it’s not really shutting down anymore but going into hibernate.
I had to change that setting but other than that dual boot works. Just realized that’s still win 10 on this machine. When that runs out time for fresh Linux only install.
The reason I just overwrote the Windows partition, instead of futzing with fixing dual boot was GDID. MSFTs global ID that tracks, literally, everything you do.
If you bought a store laptop, I’d bet those configuration signatures were recorded when it got imaged… for the police of course.
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This might be the most dweeby thing I’ve seen. I love it :)
Been dualbooting for years, no problem thus far.
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Linux is free and doesn’t care if you bootleg porn. Microsoft might, and definitely notes it.
Just use windows. We don’t want you here.
Unfortunately, I’m needed everywhere.
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Ah shit, now the battle is lost! Well, you guys in the van can pack it up. I’m not good at this cop thing I tell you, but by your response I bet you don’t realize Epstein was a cop too. Still alive for that reason. Same reason Trump’s in office; it’s a sting that he’s helping investigators with, which totally was not what I was doing. Because I’m not a cop, obviously. I’d be real bad at it, talking about cop shit, amirite? Yea, no, I’m just some crackhead on the internet. All I am.
I love Linux, but damn unless you use Amd video cards. It’s a hard sell, especially if you’re a gamer. Not to mention, how often games break because they’re designed for windows. So dual boot is reasonable, in my opinion.
Why? I have an nvidia card and haven’t noticed any major issues. It hasn’t even bricked the system on a driver update in years now.
I wasn’t talking about bricked systems, just the games themselves have issues and glitches. Especially with Nvidia. Not all games mind you. Plus the performance tax on Nvidia with Linux.
When running the games through Proton I never had issues because of Nvidia.
I have issues because of Nvidia, but none are related to gaming.
If you have the newest propertary drivers it should work just fine.
I’ve been on Nobara for a year or so now with my nvidia 4090. I can’t think of a game that I couldn’t get running that wasn’t related to the anti-cheat or VR. I had a hankering for Mass Effect 3 multiplayer. Getting the EA play app going through Lutris worked but was not consistently great at launching. ProtonDB said it ran fine through Steam so I ended up buying it last sale for $5 and it does run fine that way. Helldivers 2 has a single pixel white boarder around the window but otherwise it runs fine. Heck even Ultima Online works (and Outlands!) I’ve been gaming on Windows PCs for 30 years. It’s pretty close if not the same performance to me.
For the most part it’s fine for me too. But just recently ran into some major issues with Blizzard games. So I definitely like to keep a dual boot for that reason. As well as compatibility and troubleshooting issues.
It used to be much, much worse. While some people still struggle a little with Nvidia on Linux, it seems perfectly usable in most distros and games by now.
I agree it has improved, but I still have enough issues to where for me anyways. To justify dual boot, that is until I get an AMD video card. Believe me if I didint have to constantly find Nvidia workarounds, for performance and bugs. I would be on Linux 100 percent of the time.
I wish Linux wasn’t so god damn complicated so everyone would use it.
I have normie family using it without issue, as do many.
