• redwattlebird@thelemmy.club
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    Aside from the obvious technological barriers to achieve this, are they going to turn them into soylent green when they’re no longer useful and old?

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    I don’t claim to be an expert on the endocrine system. But I know enough to know it’s the most complicated system in the body. Possibly more complicated than the brain (my area of expertise).

    And only recently did scientists figure out how to high jack the endocrine system for weight loss and not without plenty of side effects.

    So in order for a baby to come to term, it must be exposed to different hormones , at different levels, at different times that come from the mother.

    We can’t produce all of those hormones. We can’t even currently determine all of hormone needs of a fetus. So there is no way to meet these needs. Not to mention the protein needs. Again, many of which are made by the mother. And can’t be synthetic.

    We can grow an embryo in a container for quite a while. weeks. Maybe even a few months.

    Sure, you can attach it to a roomba with temperature control.

    But that’s not the same as being able to grow a baby to term.

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      We just need something “good enough”, it doesn’t need to be fully developed, just to grow up enough to mop some floors, maybe pick some items in an amazon warehouse

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      All these related AI claims like “AI will cure cancer” or anything related to AI solving otherwise unsolved scientific problems are always hilarious. Curing cancer or any other disease requires us to fully understand the biological mechanisms of the disease enough to then even attempt to affect it with a drug.

      AI learns and does its thing via input data from human knowledge and our current understanding. How can AI possibly gain an understanding of the disease mechanism or biological/biochemical system beyond that which humans understand? Not to mention it can’t perform any sort of experiments to even test an idea.

      Sure I can appreciate it speeding up certain analyses that are otherwise tedious to do ourselves, but it’s never going to spit out some magic bullet cure

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        Agree. And also. Scientists have been using and running statistical software analysis since like the late 70s. Everyone acts like we don’t have tried and true methods already.

        Some machine learning might be useful though in research but idk if it’s fair to call it “ai”. Idk it depends on your definition.

        Actually in the research I do, I was looking into papers that measured a lot more variables than what is commonly done. (Usually two things are compared) And the authors used a formula to determine interactive effects based on which factors aligned or didn’t align and by how much.

        This type of statistics is close to how ai works as it gives “weights” to different inputs.

        But this was a method the authors came up with and they fully disclosed how it worked and acknowledged it was only one of many approaches to determining these interactive effects.


        The research I’m referring to was about vision. Accommodation and vergence. Which function together. And you can manipulate them so they don’t match and see which one has a stronger influence on the perception of depth. However, many other factors effect depth perception. But it’s nearly impossible to study how these each contribute when multiples other factors are present. Some matching the true depth. Some giving an incorrect cue. Which cue, when wrong, overrides the correct one? If two matching cure are present, is there one cue that’s wrong, but has a stronger impact on the perception ?

        These things are difficult to determine without literally thousands of studies.

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      Or, you know, not put mothers through the painful, dangerous, and potentially lethal ordeal known as pregnancy.

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        Ah yes, break the bonds that bind family and ultimately society together to “protect women”. It is only lethal in places with shitty medical car…okay I see where you are going with this.

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          break the bonds that bind family

          Nine months in utero counts for more than your first 18 years of life?

          I’ll need to break my adopted brother the terrible news

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            There is a lot that happens in utero. Sharing the mother’s immune system, learning the voice of the mother and people around them, not to mention the various hormonal changes that prepare the mother physically and psychologically to care for an infant.

            Pregnancy can be dangerous but we really need to be careful whenever we introduce new medical technology.

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            Sorry to break reality to you and him.

            Also, we are talking about an artificial womb so you wouldn’t have a mother.

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              If even a grain of what you said was true, people wouldn’t adopt. Birth doesn’t bind a family together. Love and work are what bind a family together.

              If it was like you said we wouldn’t have parents who starve their kids.

              You’re a yucky person.

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      Hopefully some bright mind will be able to merge this with the crushing machine and we can enter a new golden age of technology.

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    If you had told me 30 years ago that China would be “Brave New World” and the US would be “1984” I would have thought that you got it backwards.

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      30 years, yes, but for the past 15 or so it’s been clear that China is pulling way ahead in every metric. I think home ownership has been in the 90s% for a long time. Likewise, the fall of the American empire started with Reagan, it was clear where this train was headed, capitalism will always end in fascism.

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        The Hallmark of the Maoist Revolution was guaranting every citizen owned the land they lived on.

        Also what kicked off the Tianamen Square riots. Deng’s privatization reforms went against the Maoist principles of public ownership, in pursuit of a modern urban industrial model. And the public backlash erupted into street fighting in the capital that killed tens of thousands of people.

        Likewise, the fall of the American empire started with Reagan

        A bit early to close the book on American Empire. It took over a century for the UK to come off it’s Victorian Era peak. Along the way, they created modern computers and jet engines, which they used to commit multiple genocides.

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    This is a promising way to end surrogacy abuse in the 3rd world. I hope that future is realized.

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    As a gay guy I’d love if this were real and widely available. I would be able to become a father, but not have to navigate the moral minefields of surrogacy and adoption

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    Why yes women having to carry pregnancies for nine months and then having to go through the pains of giving birth is a good thing we should not relieve them of that burden even when technology allows that thank you for asking.