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The clone is perfect though, vibe coded or not: as it doesn’t work it’s obviously a 1:1 copy that’s just accurately mimicking the original…
It’s the difference between knowing how to market and knowing how to actually build shit.
Turns out, in our modern society, the former is a far more valuable skill than the latter.
Just bullshit your way until you get enough money and resources to actually hire people who know what they’re doing and can build the thing.
It sucks
One guy I used to work with (long before LLMs) built a website for his company and listed a bunch of software there for sale. Except he hadn’t built any software product yet. Once someone contacted him about buying one of the products, then he would build it.
until you get enough money and resources to actually hire people who know what they’re doing and can build the thing.
Has this ever happened? I though the way to go was enshittification of an already inferior product
Turns out, in our modern society, the former is a far more valuable skill than the latter.
that was knows and loudly displayel by all the apple fanbois and Jobs
LibreOffice has the ability to use regex in search&replace, MS Office does not. So why should i use a copy of the inferior product?
99% of people using office products daily will die not knowing how to formulate a regular expression.
99% of people using office products daily will die
True.
Regex save lives
True, although the corollary:
Some people, when confronted with a problem, think ‘I know, I’ll use regular expressions.’ Now they have two problems.
I’m also upset that a mainstream tool doesn’t support a niche feature.
(Mostly because I have to use certain tools at work because corporate bullshit and get annoyed when I’m reminded that the way I’m used to doing things doesn’t work here)
But if I was developing a tool for a certain audience, I would also prioritise the needs and habits of that aufience. And if that means leaving out regex because laypeople will only shoot themselves in the foot… I’ll bitch and moan and cry but ultimately comply.
There’s a difference between focussing on laypeople and working against power users. It shouldn’t be an either/or thing
Because corporate policies mandate it?
Because Calc has the UI and functionality of Excel 97…and an awful name to boot lol
Hate to say it but anyone adept in Excel (or even Sheets, probably) would agree. It gets the job done but there’s major features missing for a lot of what I’d use it for.
Excel also has lots of instabilities and bugs that pop up for even standard users. Plus it’s slow as hell
Standard users are people who are not adept at Excel. Calc is fine for basic stuff but I was responding to the question why’d you ever use Excel.
Calc doesn’t handle named tables so you can’t reference one and you also can’t apply a function to a whole column, nor can you reference row by its column
These are all incredible features to have for advanced users
there’s major features missing
Sounds like someone should contribute, lol. I kid, sort of.
I don’t think my my php knowledge from the 2000s is relevant unfortunately lol
I’m happy enough with Calc at home. Just can’t imagine trying to do half of what I do at work with it.
i don’t even know how anybody would trust their documents to such a project
Does the new one look better or something? Or is it just the fact that it’s AI-written that’s getting people excited?
The latter
Nobody wants to use Microsoft specifically. But that’s what they’re used to. And that’s what the industry standard is. LibreOffice does not prioritize compatibility with Microsoft Office formats. LibreOffice has tabbed mode which feels a bit more like “home”, but for some reason is missing options on this Ui view.
That’s why people are interested. If it looks exactly like Microsoft Office and is 100% compatible with Microsoft Office formats without having to use a Microsoft product, that is a win. Will it be possible to maintain since it was so heavily vibe coded? That remains to be seen. But let’s not pretend that open source projects are just as good or better in every way. LibreOffice is a lot closer than most, but Gimp is no Photoshop, for example, and after 30 years of waiting, I think it’s safe to say that it’s not gonna be. As much as I respect both LibreOffice and Gimp.
I want human creations forever and always!
The only reason we want a clone of ma office is because it’s the standard, not because it’s good…
A friend just sent me a video of someone explaining that this vibe coded PhotoShop version exists and it should be 1:1 on par or something. I dont know if that even makes sense, just manually checking and testing every single feature will take more then the time they claim they have spent on it lol
I always think of doing codng by hands but then I am so slow compared to others that it becomes not worth it. What to do about this?
Yes i code very slowly if I do it by myself.
As to not be fired. I’ve been forced to use AI at work, I’m “slower” than the rest of my coworkers even with AI, but I also don’t spend half my week fixing bugs for code that I didn’t read from the week before.
I’ll usually pick a project and tell the robot to figure it out, give it all the context it needs so it’s not asking every 5 minutes for access to my whole disk, and let it run. While it’s doing that I’ll hand code and actually do the work. I’m convinced it’s the fact that I still code that I’m able to read and understand what slop need to be ripped out of the robots output.
I might do 2-3 tickets a day while others are doing 5-6, but I also didn’t introduce a bug that cost our clients $1,000/day for 2 weeks straight and then didn’t know how to fix it so it continued costing them that for 3 extra days while struggling to read code that I didn’t write.
tldr: code by hand while the robots running it’s task. Don’t lose the skill just because you’re not as fast.
Plenty of IDEs have non-LLM predictive text. Common code patterns pop up as a suggestion, and continue to refine as you type.
It’s not the same level of “write a comment and we will spit out something that might work” but it’s more than a few steps above notepad.
Honestly, having a good LSP that provides context for its suggestions was a huge help for learning how to program in a couple languages. Made sure I actually understood what each part of my code was doing and how pieces fit together. If I’d had claude or copilot, I genuinely don’t think I’d have learned.
This does help and has been around for awhile but I’m still slow af even after working as a dev for 3 years.
I really enjoying coding by hand and figuring out the challenges and architecture of each function. Not to mention the immense feeling of gratification when you spend six hours to find that missing semicolon, comma, or curly brace then it all works. Refactoring massive obscure code into something readable with immediately clear logic, or changing data structures and getting something insane like 100x performance on your biggest bottleneck; all of it feels so good.
However, it seems like this is going to relegated to a hobby in the near future. LLMs are largely better and faster than me plus most, if not all, of my colleagues. I dont like it, but spending the past year working primarily with agentic LLMs i can’t really deny it. It wasn’t this good until relatively recently.
I always think of doing codng by hands but then I am so slow compared to others
easy newbie mistake to make. you should try using your fingers instead.
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I thought it was a photoshop clone, not a MS Office clone?
They (multiple parties) are cloning any possible software and games they can.
cloningsloppingedit: fixed
“slopping”
In English, you need another ‘p’ or the ‘o’ is pronounced long.
Not to be confused with clopping, a pre-AI slop term mlp community uses …
The future is in containerization anyway. If we all run Qubes OS, we can run each vibecoded project in separate containers. So when they crash and burn, we just restore from snapshots. The future where noone does long division is inefficient!
