You might want to check that election data again because Trump would have won with or without Harris receiving those “protest votes.” If you want to blame someone for this mess, blame the party leaders who put their thumb on the scale to foist the absolute worst possible candidates on us three presidential elections in a row. This is the result of those party leaders trying to straddle the line of serving the same corporate donors that Republicans do while pretending to stand for "the people "
Trump would have won with or without Harris receiving those “protest votes.”
This, in no way, makes me hate non-voters any less. A drunk driver that happens to make it home without slaughtering someone is still a fucking drunk driving piece of shit.
This also goes for people that voted for 3rd party candidates with ZERO path to victory.
To me, you don’t sound any different than a Republican sycophant who puts party over everything and still supports Trump. You’re literally blaming everyone except for the people running the party who picked the losing candidate, the losing candidate, and the people running her losing campaign. In your eyes, only the party is right and everyone else is wrong. This was nearly the third time in a row they tried this losing strategy and lost, but go on and keep telling us how right they are/were.
Harris also had zero path to victory, and yet here you are acting self-righteous like your choice was the correct one even though it gave Trump the win. To use your own analogy, you are the drunk driver who totaled your car in 2016 and 2024, but narrowly made it home once in 2020 so you want to convince us that you’re “good to drive.”
Aside from Kamala, the others had primaries. Primaries historically have 10% voter turnout. Blame the people that don’t vote in primaries then bitch about bad candidates.
It’s not like the Dems sabatoged Bernie, twice, right? Vote in the primaries, it’s that easy
They wouldn’t sabotage PROGRESSIVES to help REPUBLICANS AND CENTRISTS if you voted in the primaries
“The DCCC released opposition research against progressive candidate Laura Moser in Texas and pressured progressive challengers out of races in Colorado, Pennsylvania, and California to support centrist or well-funded establishment candidates.”
https://inthesetimes.com/features/dccc_left_progressive_challengers_laura_moser_campaign_finance.html
“In Nebraska’s 2nd District, the DCCC lent a hand to Brad Ashford—a former Republican who favors abortion restrictions—at the expense of his more progressive primary challenger Kara Eastman, who supports reproductive rights, Medicare for All and other progressive policies. Over in Virginia’s 2nd, the DCCC swung in early behind businesswoman Elaine Luria, a military veteran who twice voted for her Republican opponent, over Karen Mallard, a union member who supports a $15 minimum wage and universal healthcare.”
Same source as above and there way more.
So it seems pretty simple, Dems can tell anyone they want to fuck off (except fellow centrists and Republicans), while the rest of us are automatically MAGA if we don’t support “blue no matter who” despite constant opposition and disdain from a party that hates us because they are RIGHT WING
Yeah these people are just blind party loyalists who would gladly watch the world burn just so long as they feel like they got a ‘win’ out of it. That’s why they’re willing to nonsensically blame everyone except those controlling the levers for how the levers are being controlled.
20,000 emails from seven senior DNC officials, including Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz disagrees with you. The correspondence revealed that party leadership privately favored Hillary Clinton and discussed strategies to undermine Bernie Sanders’ presidential campaign, such as questioning his religious faith and dismissing his campaign manager Jeff Weaver as a “liar.”
They admitted it was sabotage and formally apologized. The disclaimer that the emails didn’t “reflect the views of the DNC” is hard to swallow since it was 20,000 emails from leadership.
the Obama White House and Senate leadership, coordinated to suppress Sanders to prevent him from facing Donald Trump. Allegations include limiting debate appearances, media blackouts, and the strategic withdrawal of rival candidates to consolidate votes behind Joe Biden in 2020. Elizabeth Warren and former DNC Chair Donna Brazile have acknowledged the 2016 primary was “rigged” against Sanders.
Examples of the DNC / party establishment opposing progressive candidates in elections:
The DCCC blacklisted any consultant who worked with progressive candidates. Marie Newman lost four consultants within a month.
DSCC / Senate Majority PAC 2020 Primaries
Spent $15M+ to help moderate candidates defeat progressive primary challengers.
Nina Turner vs. Shontel Brown (OH-11, 2020)
Biden and Clyburn intervened to back corporate-friendly Brown over progressive Turner, with help from a pro-Israel super PAC.
Jessica Cisneros vs. Henry Cuellar (TX-28, 2022)
Pelosi, Clyburn, and other House leaders backed Cuellar (under FBI investigation) over progressive challenger Cisneros. AOC called it “an utter failure of leadership.”
DCCC Endorses Bains over Villegas (CA-22, 2026)
DCCC endorsed centrist Bains over progressive Villegas. The Congressional Progressive Caucus PAC called it “undemocratic.”
Michigan Senate Primary (2026)
Establishment-backed Haley Stevens vs. progressive Abdul El-Sayed drew $58.6M in super PAC spending, mostly against El-Sayed. AOC personally transferred $1M to help. Pressley called the DSCC’s spending “shameful.”
Colorado Primary (2026)
National Democrats injected $2.4M via super PACs against progressive challenger Kiros to protect incumbent DeGette.
DCCC Spending Disparity (2018)
DCCC spent $340K on progressive Rob Quist (MT) vs. millions for centrist John Ossoff (GA). A DCCC-commissioned report discouraged members from campaigning on Medicare for All.
Team Blue PAC (2022)
Hakeem Jeffries co-founded an explicitly anti-progressive PAC to protect establishment incumbents.
Because “you protest voters refused to vote for him and handed the election to Trump” right? Or does that only apply when you need to absolve the people running the party from responsibility for their actions?
They will never understand this simple fact. There either weren’t enough Bernie supporters in the first place or far too many stayed home for the primary. And very nearly every Bernie voter in the primary went for Hillary in the general. There wasn’t a conspiracy, progressives just don’t vote. If they did, we’d have a progressive democratic party.
Well I’m sorry to inform you that Harris voters are the ones who voted for this. If they hadn’t thrown their votes away in protest by voting for a losing candidate, Trump wouldn’t be in office right now.
See how useful your argument (or “information”) is?
You might want to check that election data again because Trump would have won with or without Harris receiving those “protest votes.” If you want to blame someone for this mess, blame the party leaders who put their thumb on the scale to foist the absolute worst possible candidates on us three presidential elections in a row. This is the result of those party leaders trying to straddle the line of serving the same corporate donors that Republicans do while pretending to stand for "the people "
I blame the fact that they stole that election and bragged about it openly while people pretend that didn’t happen.
This, in no way, makes me hate non-voters any less. A drunk driver that happens to make it home without slaughtering someone is still a fucking drunk driving piece of shit.
This also goes for people that voted for 3rd party candidates with ZERO path to victory.
To me, you don’t sound any different than a Republican sycophant who puts party over everything and still supports Trump. You’re literally blaming everyone except for the people running the party who picked the losing candidate, the losing candidate, and the people running her losing campaign. In your eyes, only the party is right and everyone else is wrong. This was nearly the third time in a row they tried this losing strategy and lost, but go on and keep telling us how right they are/were.
Harris also had zero path to victory, and yet here you are acting self-righteous like your choice was the correct one even though it gave Trump the win. To use your own analogy, you are the drunk driver who totaled your car in 2016 and 2024, but narrowly made it home once in 2020 so you want to convince us that you’re “good to drive.”
Aside from Kamala, the others had primaries. Primaries historically have 10% voter turnout. Blame the people that don’t vote in primaries then bitch about bad candidates.
It is that easy! It’s not like progressives and leftists are sandbagged by the “vote blue no matter who” Dems right?
https://www.newsweek.com/democrats-skewered-republicans-funding-these-maga-losers-1758128
It’s not like the Dems sabatoged Bernie, twice, right? Vote in the primaries, it’s that easy
They wouldn’t sabotage PROGRESSIVES to help REPUBLICANS AND CENTRISTS if you voted in the primaries “The DCCC released opposition research against progressive candidate Laura Moser in Texas and pressured progressive challengers out of races in Colorado, Pennsylvania, and California to support centrist or well-funded establishment candidates.” https://inthesetimes.com/features/dccc_left_progressive_challengers_laura_moser_campaign_finance.html
“In Nebraska’s 2nd District, the DCCC lent a hand to Brad Ashford—a former Republican who favors abortion restrictions—at the expense of his more progressive primary challenger Kara Eastman, who supports reproductive rights, Medicare for All and other progressive policies. Over in Virginia’s 2nd, the DCCC swung in early behind businesswoman Elaine Luria, a military veteran who twice voted for her Republican opponent, over Karen Mallard, a union member who supports a $15 minimum wage and universal healthcare.”
Same source as above and there way more.
So it seems pretty simple, Dems can tell anyone they want to fuck off (except fellow centrists and Republicans), while the rest of us are automatically MAGA if we don’t support “blue no matter who” despite constant opposition and disdain from a party that hates us because they are RIGHT WING
Yeah these people are just blind party loyalists who would gladly watch the world burn just so long as they feel like they got a ‘win’ out of it. That’s why they’re willing to nonsensically blame everyone except those controlling the levers for how the levers are being controlled.
Bernie lost the popular vote in the primaries both times. Voters didn’t show up for him.
Wrong and conveniently ignored everything else.
20,000 emails from seven senior DNC officials, including Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz disagrees with you. The correspondence revealed that party leadership privately favored Hillary Clinton and discussed strategies to undermine Bernie Sanders’ presidential campaign, such as questioning his religious faith and dismissing his campaign manager Jeff Weaver as a “liar.”
https://www.reuters.com/article/world/democratic-national-committee-apologizes-to-sanders-over-emails-idUSKCN1052BN/
They admitted it was sabotage and formally apologized. The disclaimer that the emails didn’t “reflect the views of the DNC” is hard to swallow since it was 20,000 emails from leadership.
the Obama White House and Senate leadership, coordinated to suppress Sanders to prevent him from facing Donald Trump. Allegations include limiting debate appearances, media blackouts, and the strategic withdrawal of rival candidates to consolidate votes behind Joe Biden in 2020. Elizabeth Warren and former DNC Chair Donna Brazile have acknowledged the 2016 primary was “rigged” against Sanders.
https://time.com/4362402/how-president-obama-will-pressure-bernie-sanders/
Examples of the DNC / party establishment opposing progressive candidates in elections:
The DCCC blacklisted any consultant who worked with progressive candidates. Marie Newman lost four consultants within a month.
DSCC / Senate Majority PAC 2020 Primaries Spent $15M+ to help moderate candidates defeat progressive primary challengers.
Nina Turner vs. Shontel Brown (OH-11, 2020) Biden and Clyburn intervened to back corporate-friendly Brown over progressive Turner, with help from a pro-Israel super PAC.
Jessica Cisneros vs. Henry Cuellar (TX-28, 2022) Pelosi, Clyburn, and other House leaders backed Cuellar (under FBI investigation) over progressive challenger Cisneros. AOC called it “an utter failure of leadership.”
DCCC Endorses Bains over Villegas (CA-22, 2026) DCCC endorsed centrist Bains over progressive Villegas. The Congressional Progressive Caucus PAC called it “undemocratic.”
Michigan Senate Primary (2026) Establishment-backed Haley Stevens vs. progressive Abdul El-Sayed drew $58.6M in super PAC spending, mostly against El-Sayed. AOC personally transferred $1M to help. Pressley called the DSCC’s spending “shameful.”
Colorado Primary (2026) National Democrats injected $2.4M via super PACs against progressive challenger Kiros to protect incumbent DeGette.
DCCC Spending Disparity (2018) DCCC spent $340K on progressive Rob Quist (MT) vs. millions for centrist John Ossoff (GA). A DCCC-commissioned report discouraged members from campaigning on Medicare for All.
Team Blue PAC (2022) Hakeem Jeffries co-founded an explicitly anti-progressive PAC to protect establishment incumbents.
Because “you protest voters refused to vote for him and handed the election to Trump” right? Or does that only apply when you need to absolve the people running the party from responsibility for their actions?
They will never understand this simple fact. There either weren’t enough Bernie supporters in the first place or far too many stayed home for the primary. And very nearly every Bernie voter in the primary went for Hillary in the general. There wasn’t a conspiracy, progressives just don’t vote. If they did, we’d have a progressive democratic party.
Pretty big “aside from” there…
1 out of the mentioned 3. Meaning the other person is 66% liar.
Who’s blaming. I am informing protest-non-voters what they voted for.
Well I’m sorry to inform you that Harris voters are the ones who voted for this. If they hadn’t thrown their votes away in protest by voting for a losing candidate, Trump wouldn’t be in office right now.
See how useful your argument (or “information”) is?
Except, this (see article) is what protest-non-voters voted for.