They are just not aware that they have this fear and can’t therefore understand and work on it effectively. Some people just seem to be stuck in emotional toddlerhood.

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    You have no clue about Germany and you underestimate holocaust education.

    I guess I do! They must be actually gassing Jews and invading Poland during that education! Because that is literally the only possible way for it to be in “living memory” by definition!

    It’s not any different and I did not debate the thought of material relations.

    That’s literally what the whole argument is about! Ok then, if you’re doing a complete 180, then, let’s return to the original point. The material relations determined that certain countries did not get vaccines until later than other countries. Those material relations have shaped the thoughts and cultures of those countries, to make them less prone to conspiracy theories.

    That’s what you had a problem with! That’s what caused you to say, “You might as well go back to church and PRAY!” All I’ve been saying this whole time is that it was the material relations that shaped people’s thoughts and ideas!

    That is objectively foolish

    Let’s add “objectively” to the long list of words you don’t know the meaning of, along side “living memory” “materialism” and “sociology.”

    So did other countries in (a similar way at least) that developed extremely quickly, like Japan and so on.

    Are you claiming that Japan was a stateless society? Or did you just provide me with more evidence that states can improve people’s quality of life?

    I don’t have to guess your views, they’re atrocious enough.

    What have I said that’s “atrocious?” Wanting to remove misinformation? Acknowledging that material relations are a thing that exist?

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      I guess I do! They must be actually gassing Jews and invading Poland during that education! Because that is literally the only possible way for it to be in “living memory” by definition!

      You idiot really believe that the people who voted the nazis in, and celebrated them were like “Oh nooo we did a big bad~~” after they lost? People wanted hitler back after the war. Antifascist consciousness arose only in the late 70’s. The whole living memory thesis remains to be horseshit.

      Those material relations have shaped the thoughts and cultures of those countries, to make them less prone to conspiracy theories.

      This is not what I am saying and I do not agree with that. This is complete horseshit still as it hinges on the idea of living memory o algo.

      I’ve been saying this whole time is that it was the material relations that shaped people’s thoughts and ideas!

      You did not.

      Are you claiming that Japan was a stateless society? Or did you just provide me with more evidence that states can improve people’s quality of life?

      this doesn’t follow and is bullshit. I said the state apparati did not lengthen life expectancy out of the goodness of their hearts. I said they did it so they have a workforce with which they can “win” in state-state competition. Your thought about the benevolent state is a fiction.

      What have I said that’s “atrocious?” Wanting to remove misinformation? Acknowledging that material relations are a thing that exist?

      Your pro-state top down approach and speech policing is quite horrible, yes. A genuinely unsympathetic and cynical approach to politics that can aptly be described as nannying. Cynical because of the distrust of the organic action of the subjects – workers. You are a real counterpoint to staffordshire beer, in the worst way. I will quit talking to you. No surprise that your moderation history is full of bans.

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        You idiot really believe that the people who voted the nazis in, and celebrated them were like “Oh nooo we did a big bad~~” after they lost? People wanted hitler back after the war. Antifascist consciousness arose only in the late 70’s. The whole living memory thesis remains to be horseshit.

        You mean that the people who were shaped by the conditions that caused people to become Nazis, remained being Nazis, even after conditions changed? And you think this proves that events being in living memory don’t influence people’s views?

        This is not what I am saying and I do not agree with that.

        So then you don’t agree that material relations shape people’s thoughts and ideas, and you are not a materialist.

        out of the goodness of their hearts

        When the fuck did I ever claim they did it “out of the goodness of their hearts?” There you go, assuming my views and getting it wrong again, instead of listening to my actual words.

        A genuinely unsympathetic and cynical approach to politics

        Moralist.