The first 3 computers I ever touched were an Apple II, Apple II e, and a Powemac.
Then I spent a decade in the Windows wilderness. Back and forth… Now safely home to Linux.
Maybe not a good question by itself.
people who grew dealing with classic mac are going to flip a table reading this.
I was definitely autistic, as it turns out.
I had to install PC-DOS because Windows didn’t exist.
Is Discluded a word? Isn’t that Excluded?
No no, discluded is for when you exclude someone and diss them at the same time.
I think it’s one of those flammable/inflammable sort of things.
Guess i’m autistic lol. I did install Linux on my laptop when i was 12, but it didn’t last very long. The only reason i installed it is because i felt bored with the Windows UI, and distros like Ubuntu and Mint looked really interesting at the time. After i realized that i couldn’t get my EXEs to work i just went back to Windows lol.
It wasn’t until LTT made their video about using PopOS instead of Windows 11 back in 2021 that i remembered Linux even existed. I decided to give it a shot since Windows 10 had already started to freak me out for a while with their weird questions like asking if they can use my handwriting data. The rest is history. I know LTT gets a lot of flack for how they’ve handled their Linux content, and some of it is deserved, but if it wasn’t for me seeing that video i wouldn’t have given it a try.
At 12 I was not so interested in the features and mechanics of computers and OSs as to even have an opinion on the Windows UI, let alone consider other options. I was using AOL chat rooms and MSN Messenger, watching stupid flash videos on Newgrounds, and playing The Sims and Mech fighting games. I was in college studying Computer Science before I even gave a shit, and didn’t actually install Linux on my PC until I was in my mid 20s. So, from my perspective, you’re still an outlier.
Well when i talked about the UI it was honestly just very superficial. In a way of “oh i’m bored of this, but this other thing looks much different.” Basically monkey brain shit. It’s funny cause while i ended up going back to windows to be able to play games, my laptop was just a dual core celeron that could barely play anything anyway. I remember it often overheating and shutting down while i was playing sims 3 lol.
I have full time Linux users on my team. I fix their code all day and go home to use all 3 os’s.
Using Linux means you like tinkering, not that your smarter or more capable.
I am a full time Linux user and nobody fixes my code ever, can you explain this?
I’m sure sometimes your code needs fixing.
But this whole thread is a bait. zzzzzzz
I’ve been using linus for like 27 years or so, but I don’t think I’ve been tinkering with my desktop for 20 years. Tinkering with my servers of course.
I’ve been using linus for like 27 years or so
New honeypot just dropped?!
Has he been using Finnish or Canadian Linus?
Yes :DG<
Damn! I wanted to know what the hypothesis was.
I had to wait until I was 28 to install Linux, (RedHat). But to be fair, personal computers as we know them today didn’t exist either.
Edit to add: for the past 2 years or so, I’ve been running Kinonite. I often get poked at by other Fedora users because they think it’s either “too hard” or that it doesn’t give them total control of their install because they have some super odd configueration confection that they just can’t live without. Or they believe flatpaks and appImages are too slow to open - I’m still trying to figure out how they can notice a possible 1/2 second.
So I just tell them I am old and I have compiled my share of kernels and wander through the rpm hells of middle earth. And I no longer want to be bothered. Then they say that Atomics are good for “old people”
No no. Autistic children should be in, but as another variable to check
Is the hypothesis that people in those two OS’s have no clue about other OS’s and the one thats looks like a fruit have a superiority complex?
It will depend on the age, but using Windows used to require some tech literacy. As far as I’m aware, Apple has always tried to avoid this need, which also prevents learning it. Modern Windows isn’t much different than modern Mac though. I’m assuming kids on Windows today aren’t much better than kids on Mac.
Controversial opinion but the system working well doesn’t prevent learning about it—if the user wants to. Like Apple computers are still computers, they’ve always had development tools. You could always study it under the hood and learn.
I don’t think that’s controversial. However, there’s two ways people will be encouraged to learn about it. Either the system invites you to tinker, or it doesn’t function how you want and requires you to tinker. Apple, in all of their products, mostly does neither. It functions fine, and it is opinionated about how it functions and doesn’t invite you to change it.
Sure, there will be curious people who, no matter what, tinker. They don’t need to be encouraged. The OP isn’t really trying to measure them. They’ll be the baseline where there is no measurable difference. The average user is what we want to understand. The average user on Mac isn’t expected to understand anything about the system. It just works. Both Windows (historically) and Linux do some amount of inviting you to tinker, and also requiring you to (depending on distro for Linux this may not actually be required). Windows has increasingly locked things down though, and also revert any changes on update more and more frequently.
Yeah, MacOS hold the users hand way too hard, in a way that is insulting in my opinion.
I’m assuming kids on Windows today aren’t much better than kids on Mac.
Totally right, I have seen it in person.
Linux users are particularly notorious for not having superiority complex.
I use Arch btw
It isn’t a complex when it’s just actually superior
I have a superuser complex
sudo drop your complex
Changing “sudo” to “please” on my terminal was the best thing I ever did, now all of my conversations with my computer look so polite
“please !!” sounds like you beg on your knees to execute the last command
Your illness is rooted deep into your consciousness. “su” is “switch user” by the way…
Hate to be that guy, but it’s akshually substitute user
No-no-no, you love being that guy :)
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I think one of the reasons is that MacOS didn’t really have any games back then, so there was no reason for a kid to be glued to their computer. And if you use something for a long time, you collect problems and ways to solve them, getting the experience and some technical knowledge along the way.
Number munchers and Oregon trail have entered the chat. Also the dozen other games on floppy disks (that my middle age mind cannot remember now) that we played on our Apple IIe’s.
My mom worked at Software Etc in the 80’s.
There were so many more, and better games, for PCs.
The only good games on Mac were ones ported from PC.
I was my mother’s official “troubleshooter”. If a customer returned a game, she gave it to me, to test.
There were definitely a lot more PC games returned than Mac, but there was almost never anything wrong with them. Probably came down to individual setups.
Which was Mac’s strong point. There was no real diversity in hardware, so everything worked.
But all the Mac games SUCKED compared to PC.
Unfortunately, this was also when I was exposed to Ultima IV… and my homework never saw me again.
Someone clearly never played Dark Castle
Were you under the impression I don’t believe there were pc games back then? I didn’t say that, also, funny enough you say
The only good games on Mac were ones ported from PC.
But the only games I specifically named actually were on Mac first then later ported to DOS.
I’m not so sure but I think back THEN there were less captivating PC games as well. My perspective is from the early 00s Russia, when you had to deal with pirated games, unbelievably slow Internet, funny videos shared between friends on CDs, going with a hard drive to a friend’s house just to share your music collection, etc. Basically, we had to know how to do this kind of stuff because the alternative was so expensive. Now with LLMs you don’t even have to “google” anymore, so there’s no need to know, for example, what a file extension is.
Interesting perspective. I was in the rural US and my experience was probably closer to yours than you might think. 33-48kbps modems were insanely slow, even back then. Between that and my parents banning the Internet in the house, most everything I got my hands on was pirated, and either painstakingly (secretly) downloaded over midnight hours on the unreliable modem or from a floppy disk or burned CD from a friend! This was circa 1997-2001 until I moved out and got a usable Internet connection.
Huh? Mac had the better games! In fact I lived in the countryside and our school was mostly Macs until I got to high school.
Huh? Mac had the better games!
That’s a wild claim.
You’re either very young, or didn’t have access to Mac’s as a kid. The games were great. Number Munchers was sick.
Mac had heaps of games in the 80s and 90s. Then from the 90s to the 2010s, it was WINDOWS TIME for games, with some being ported to OSX and Linux or run with compatibility software. Now it’s Windows/Linux hardcore and still only small or modest Mac support.
Mac did have a ton of fun games back then, though! I didn’t get a Mac of my own until Intel Core Macs came out, but I loved the Macs I used at my friends’ houses and school.
I went through an edgy “Apple is worst computers” phase in the 2000s, but I grew to like the hardware and OS after I picked one up to install Windows on to bring to LAN parties (all non-Mac laptops that could play games fuckin suuuuuucked back then and I was never at home.)
I don’t know about better, but the Mac games I had in elementary school were awesome for kids that age. Oregon trail and number munchers. I don’t think pc gaming had really taken off much at all then. That was years before doom, even.
Did it have Zoo Tycoon? No? I think we’re done here.
Growing up, we had a computer class where we learned how to use a Mac. Then they changed the OS and I’m lost using my gf’s macbook
I was once humiliated in a room full of IT peers because a colleague stuck his Apple laptop in front of me and I’d never used an Apple touchpad before that meeting. Two-finger swiping was such an alien concept I never would have guessed that’s what I needed to do.
Also consider that Apple mice at the time only had one button, so that would exclude using two anything on any Apple pointer controller, right? Nope.
The ol’ secondary click vs right click issue.
I started on a Commodore 64.
I think my first was an Amiga.
The school had macs eventually for our computer lab. Then at some point we had both a windows machine and then an iMac. I ended up with a windows laptop around 11 and building my own windows pc just a few years later in early high school.
That’s pretty neat-o!
Joke’s on them, I didn’t install Linux before I was 14 😎
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