• umbrella@lemmy.ml
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    10 months ago

    Yo we should stop it though. Its part of the reason they can get stuff done and we can’t.

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      10 months ago

      Considering the Right has a unified goal (complete removal of “them” and codifying perceived hierarchy into law), they don’t care about the process

      The Left does NOT have a unified goal OR process. Off the top of my head, the Contrapoints/Hasanabi “millionaires are ok, thinking otherwise is immature and envious”, the Maupin/Coffin Red Browns, the Vaush/Xanderhal “it should be codified that I should be able to say the N word”, the “all theft should be legal” webcomic artists, the Sinfest “feminism went too far when it allowed trans/queer people”, the tiktok “any intercourse information made public should be an assault charge”

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        10 months ago

        the tiktok “any intercourse information made public should be an assault charge”

        You and I have very different FYPs lol

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        10 months ago

        I agree. What we call the “Left” in the US is a largely heterogenous group of people separated by decades of infighting and a mountain of conflicting interests. There’s the types you mentioned, then there’s the trans activists, the eco activists, black/BIPOC activists, socialists, anarchists, liberals, feminists, and on and on.

        Suppose you are a Democratic House or Senate candidate. To actually win the election, you need two things, votes and funding. You know there are things your voter base cares passionately about, that they have no hope of ever getting from Republicans, but unfortunately they are also things the big ticket donors despise. So, what do you do? You’ll have to steer away from policies that will break the coalition and split the vote. You’ll have to steer away from topics that will frighten the donor class. When faced with that challenge of keeping the Left (mostly) united AND getting that sweet donor cash, most mainstream Democrats tend to pivot away from wedge issues and policies, and focus more on process. Y’know, uncontroversial things like bipartisanship, decorum, and compromise. And while we’re all sick of the lack of these things in DC, they’re not things Democrats can make happen all by themselves, and more importantly, none of them are results, they’re means.

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      10 months ago

      No! We can’t work together with people who want something else just because they call themselves leftists, too

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        10 months ago

        We can’t work together with people who want something different …

        This is why free markets are important, incidentally

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        Most of us have common goals and common methods. We should act in that overlap whenever we can. We do have strength in numbers

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          There are people I agree with from different leftist traditions, but then again there are people I disagree with on all these traditions, too. I even have overlap with some (lower case) conservative people when it comes to ecological questions

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            Thats what I mean! Work together when you can, but fellow workers are rarely actual enemies all the time.

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        10 months ago

        Lol no way. They are eroding workers rights, putting kids to work on many states, deepening inequality, allowing more oil than ever before to be extracted and burned, financing a genocide… Take your pick. They probably already have a plan drawn up for their next term chairing the executive branch.

        And most of the so called " democratic" party in your country (including the president) seem to be helping them out, or letting them do it because they are covertly siding with corporations too. The difference is they are not as outwardly fascistic.

        From the perspective of someone from outside the US, their policy towards us is exactly as shitty too.