they fought for slavery and not to have to pay their taxes. i get that you’re joking, but it’s crazy to me that people still use this argument to defend… anything. Our founding fathers had some decent ideas about democracy and the separation of church and state, but when it came to their vaunted “all men are created equal” concept, they clearly didn’t mean what they said. What they really meant was, “Down with the aristocracy, down with nobility! We want all rich, white, Christian men on the same top echelon of society, regardless of bloodline!” Also, “Can i purchase that human?”
It really needs to be stressed that the founding fathers were not in any way a single group with cohesive ideas. There’s a reason that 90% of early American history is these guys arguing about essentially everything.
Some were genuine true believers in Enlightenment philosophy. Some agreed with it in principle but were willing to make sacrifices for the sake of pragmatism. Some didn’t give a shit but saw which way the wind was blowing and realized it would be more profitable to go along. And some were simply virulent pieces of shit.
enough that slavery, racism, sex/gender inequality, the inherent exploitation of a capitalist system, and many other terrible things were enshrined into our constitution from the start.
as for their cohorts whose noble and enlightened ideas fell to the wayside? well, when they could stand up to a king but wither at the idea of standing up to their peers - especially in the name of profitability - there could hardly be argued to have been any honor in it. This just sounds like the “it’s a few bad apples” bs we hear whenever there’s some news story about police bruality/corruption.
enough that slavery, racism, sex/gender inequality, the inherent exploitation of a capitalist system, and many other terrible things were enshrined into our constitution from the start.
Well… Yes. That’s how politics work. You need to live with and agree with those people about how we’re going to govern society. What do you expect to happen?
Uh… I’m not following you. Reading what I’ve said, how could you connect me with their philosophy? How could you say that the simple act of protest equals MAGA philosophy?
Look, I don’t really think you believe that. And I’m not trying to shut anyone down. What I’m trying to say is that the founding fathers were a lot more flawed than most people realize, and we should stop worshipping them. It’s time we moved on and started forging a new republic founded on modern concepts of equality and equity rather than the compromised, elitist, and extremely bigoted attitudes of 300 years ago.
This is what our founding fathers fought for.
they fought for slavery and not to have to pay their taxes. i get that you’re joking, but it’s crazy to me that people still use this argument to defend… anything. Our founding fathers had some decent ideas about democracy and the separation of church and state, but when it came to their vaunted “all men are created equal” concept, they clearly didn’t mean what they said. What they really meant was, “Down with the aristocracy, down with nobility! We want all rich, white, Christian men on the same top echelon of society, regardless of bloodline!” Also, “Can i purchase that human?”
1 - Property-owning white men, no women, no poors
It really needs to be stressed that the founding fathers were not in any way a single group with cohesive ideas. There’s a reason that 90% of early American history is these guys arguing about essentially everything.
Some were genuine true believers in Enlightenment philosophy. Some agreed with it in principle but were willing to make sacrifices for the sake of pragmatism. Some didn’t give a shit but saw which way the wind was blowing and realized it would be more profitable to go along. And some were simply virulent pieces of shit.
enough that slavery, racism, sex/gender inequality, the inherent exploitation of a capitalist system, and many other terrible things were enshrined into our constitution from the start.
as for their cohorts whose noble and enlightened ideas fell to the wayside? well, when they could stand up to a king but wither at the idea of standing up to their peers - especially in the name of profitability - there could hardly be argued to have been any honor in it. This just sounds like the “it’s a few bad apples” bs we hear whenever there’s some news story about police bruality/corruption.
Well… Yes. That’s how politics work. You need to live with and agree with those people about how we’re going to govern society. What do you expect to happen?
That, in retrospect, we would see them for who they really were, not for who we wished they were. 
Please. This is the MAGA philosophy. Kick and scream until you get what you want and burn everything down if you don’t. 🙄
Uh… I’m not following you. Reading what I’ve said, how could you connect me with their philosophy? How could you say that the simple act of protest equals MAGA philosophy?
Look, I don’t really think you believe that. And I’m not trying to shut anyone down. What I’m trying to say is that the founding fathers were a lot more flawed than most people realize, and we should stop worshipping them. It’s time we moved on and started forging a new republic founded on modern concepts of equality and equity rather than the compromised, elitist, and extremely bigoted attitudes of 300 years ago.
OK?