My Nextcloud has always been sluggish — navigating and interacting isn’t snappy/responsive, changing between apps is very slow, loading tasks is horrible, etc. I’m curious what the experience is like for other people. I’d also be curious to know how you have your Nextcloud set up (install method, server hardware, any other relevent special configs, etc.). Mine is essentially just a default install of Nextcloud Snap.
Edit (2024-03-03T09:00Z): I should clarify that I am specifically talking about the web interface and not general file sync capabilites. Specifically, I notice the sluggishness the most when interacting with the calendar, and tasks.
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Nextcloud pleases A LOT 10% of it’s users. Those 10% are composed by tech savvy people, coders and developpers that spent countless hours tinkering with their instance.
I’m one of the 90% left. Despite really wanting to use nextcloud and trying to set it up correctly for 2 years, I finally gave up and I feel much happier in my life, in my work, with my family and friends, and they thank me for that.
Now I just recommend Owncloud or seafile. They’re both really easy to install and just work out of the box.
Out of habit and convenience, I keep a nextcloud running on oracle free tier just for what it’s good at: caldav and contacts.
The out of the box experience of the containerized nextcloud is actually really bad. Had it running bare metal with apache and it was way faster.
But have you tried the official AIO docker compose file? Basically copy the redis stuff from there and you are good to go.
Containers run on “bare metal”.
Not in this context. Bare metal means all packages and services installed and running directly on the host, not through docker/lxc/vms
Yes - in this context containers run on bare metal. They run directly on the host. They even show up in the host’s process list with PIDs. There is no virtual machine between an executable running in a docker image and the CPU on the host.
Have you read my comment? It’s about where the packages and services are installed.
In this case, they’re installed in the container, not on the host
What is it you think the “metal” is in in the phrase “running on bare metal?”
Your comment is irrelevant. Who cares in what directory or disk image the packages are installed? If I run in a “chroot jail” am I not “running on bare metal?” What if I include a library in /opt/application/lib? Does it matter if the binaries are on an NFS share? This is all irrelevant.
The phrase means to be not running in any emulation. To answer my question above - the “metal” is the CPU (edit: and other hardware).
edit2: I mean - it’s the defining characteristic of containers that they execute on bare metal unlike VMs and (arguably - I won’t get into it) hypervisors. There is no hardware abstraction at all. They just run natively.
It’s just what it means in this specific context.
They’re not running directly on the host, with directly meaning directly.
If you go by definition, I agree with you, but the definition is not always the thing to go off of.
It’s all about where the packages and services are installed
No. Your packages and services could be on a network share on the other side of the world, but where they are run is what matters here. Processes are always loaded into, and run from main memory.
“Running on bare metal” refers to whether the CPU the process is being run on is emulated/virtualized (ex. via Intel VT-x) or not.
A VM uses virtualization to run an OS, and the processes are running within that OS, thus neither is running on bare metal. But the purpose of containers is to run them wherever your host OS is running. So if your host is on bare metal, then the container is too. You are not emulating or virtualizing any hardware.
Here’s an article explaining the difference in more detail if needed.
More specifically, the container is run on bare metal if the host is running on bare metal. You are correct in this thread, not sure why you’re being downvoted. I guess people don’t know what virtualization technology is or when it is used.
If the nextcloud container is slow, it’s for reasons other than virtualization.
not sure why you’re being downvoted.
LaNgUaGe EvOlVeS. 🙄
Wait what? I’m saying what you said is correct. Am I the one who’s confused here?
Edit: oh maybe you meant that’s the excuse people give for being wrong? lol
Yes, that’s the excuse I’ve been getting. Sorry to be vague.
Never had an issue with mine. And running fine. Only thing I have done is use mariadb.
Now I just recommend Owncloud or seafile. They’re both really easy to install and just work out of the box.
Which one is lighter on your opinion?
Lighter, I dont know. Faster, I’d say owncloud. YMMV
I just moved my files from nextcloud to seafile, founded that I don’t really need chat, calendar, tasks and other things, only need to store files and have it synced between my devices.
Nextcloud works for my small company and I’m not going to change it for now.
Docker behind a Traefik proxy with crowdsec checking (adds additional lag). Ryzen 2700x 32GB local machine. All storage on SSD.
The web interface is very usable, switching subpages takes maybe half a second max without it being cached by the browser.
Could of course be quicker (as basically everything ever), but as we mostly use it with the Windows sync clients and Android apps we never really have any issues.
Which docker image do you use? AIO?
No. This installation is so old it precedes the AIO image. “Standard” docker image, redis, mariadb.
I’ve shit-talk NC so much on here and other forums but for some reason kept feeling compelled to try to make it work. I’ve tried a few of the Community Docker templates available on Unraid “store” as well as AIO. I’ve had issues with all of them. Then gave NextcloudPi a try on a spare Pi 4 (installed a SSD as boot instead of microSD) and it works much better. It’s still much slower than I think it should be, but this version is far and away more responsive than the others.
Seafile is a beast of an app that syncs and performs incredibly fast. Some folks won’t use it due to the git-like chunks it parses your data into on the server end (this is what accounts for the speed from what I’ve read). I understand the concerns in that regard, but I still like it and I have my own way to mitigate that concern.
I’ve never experienced slowness and I’m accessing it from behind two proxies and a VPN. Can you share some information about your setup?
Mine is… eh. It’s alright. I don’t use any of the apps. Just the actual sync functionality. Sometimes when I’m moving files around there’s a problem where the entire thing just stops responding. My MediaWiki instance still works, just not Nextcloud. Not sure why this happens and not sure if it also happens to other people.
For comparison, it is running on a Contabo VPS M
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What hardware are you running it on? I set mine up originally on a raspberry pi 3b and the web interface was very slow, but upgrading it to a RPi4 with 4GB RAM made a massive difference. Though I suspect some of that was that the data and database were being stored on an external SSD in both cases, the RPi4 had a usb 3 interface and dedicated Ethernet, but the 3b had a single USB 2 bus to share between the Ethernet and SSD.
MIne is on a RPi4 4 GB as well (the AIO container) with two SSD and the performance of the frontend are meh… But I seldom use the web part anyway and mainly rely on the desktop client/android App, which work just fine.
Mine is nice and quick in regards to the web interface and general functions. However I run it on a server at home and my upload speed isn’t the best, so if I need to pull a larger file (Files On Demand enabled) then obviously the transfer speed of the file is a bit sluggish.
Hosted on a VM with 16GB RAM, 4 cores. Using the NextcloudAIO docker deployment option, all behind an Apache reverse proxy (I have a bunch of other services on another VM that all have reverse proxy access in place as well).
Did you do anything special configuration-wise, or did you, more or less, just deploy the AIO docker as-is?
Nothing too special, just had to do some fiddling to get the Apache reverse proxy working correctly. Now I believe they have a pre-made example for it, but back then they only had nginx. I stick with Apache because that’s still what I know. Might start learning nginx, but my main work isn’t in web stuff.
I run linuxserver.io docker container, disabled almost all apps and its been running rock solid and quite fast on old celeron. It takes 3-5 sec to open a web page, but I mostly use desktop/android app anyway
Mine runs very smooth. I guess it’s a matter of hardware or Ressource allocation?
I have a fujitsu thin client with a 4 core Celeron CPU and 8gb RAM. Nextcloud and Maria DB run in separate containers in proxmox.
I am the only user. I have only office, face recognition and maps installed. Other than that I use calender, contact and Foto sync.
Docker, using the
nextcloud:stableimage (not-all in-one) with postgres, behind nginx, and finally ZFS with 2x modern HDDs for storage. I run the stock apps plus a small handful, and have carried the same database through many versions over the last 5 years.It’s usable, but definitely not snappy.
The web interface for files is fine. Not instantaneous at all but not a huge problem. I have about 1TB of files (images and videos) in one folder, then varying files everywhere else. I suspect that the number of files (but probably not the size) is causing the slowdown.
Switching to, for example, the notes app is incredibly slow, and the NC Android app is just as bad.
Quite fast.
KVM/libvirt VM with 4GB RAM and 4vCores shared with a dozen other services, storage is not the fastest (qcow2-backed disks on a ext4 partition inside a LUKS volume on a 5400RPM hard drive… I might move it so a SSD sometime soon) so features highly dependent on disk I/O (thumbnailing) are sometimes sluggish. There is an occasional slowdown, I suppose caused by APCu caches periodically being dropped, but once a page is loaded and the cache is warmed up, it becomes fast again.
Standard apache + php-fpm + postgresql setup as described in the Nextcloud official documentation, automated through this ansible role
Use the AIO. Its much faster than any other way I’ve had it set up and I’ve used NC for years. Easy to update, full featured, supported.
And anyone that tells you to use Own cloud instead doesn’t have a clue.
An issue I have with AIO is I can’t use an internal IP address, and I’m required to have a domain or revese proxy.
OwnCloud for now, NC for the manual install.
What do you mean no internal IP? I can access the instance on my local network via RPI address no problem.
EDIT: Realized I didn’t use AIO. Sorry.
Ooooh, I just checked and I am indeed not running the AIO. Must be a new thing, and I though I had it because I didn’t set up much, but I really just used a premare docker-compose.yml, which is why I didn’t remember any advanced setup. It still uses multiple containers.
I stand corrected.
You’ve told us nothing about your hardware.
I’ve been running nextcloud for some time with this setup:
KVM virtual machine with 4 cores / 8 GiB RAM docker image: `nextcloud:28.0.2-apache` with db: `mariadb:11.1`The UI has never been what one would call… “fast”. Especially on first load of a page or directory. It’s been adequate for me though. Once I click around a bit it caches enough things to feel fairly responsive. I also mount /var/lib/nextcloud off a network share so I’m sure that hits my performance some as well.
Nextcloud leans on the database a lot so be sure to have a local and quick storage for it (no - don’t run it on your raspberry pi). There are also cleanup cron jobs and indexes that need to be updated when doing upgrades that help performance as well.
Overall good. The only slowness is right after login. After it loads everything it’s pretty responsive. Using the snap version (I know, snap bad. But in this case it was the only way I got it going.).
Self updates,.get email notifications when it updateab
