• OpenPassageways@lemmy.zip
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      I find it’s easier to explain this to people as “Southern conservatives used to vote Democrat, now they vote Republican”.

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        Yeah, the idea of a sudden swap is simplistic. The New Deal coalition included white Southerners and a substantial number of Black people and people who were otherwise prone to being sympathetic to Black civil rights. Certain dynamics protected the spot of Dixiecrats, but the contradictions were just too great for the party to hold together forever. It was a simple matter of absorbing the disaffected Dixiecrats.

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      But I’d rather look at what modern people are doing and saying.

      We would too but unfortunately fascists pretend that they’re not fascist by claiming their political party freed the slaves.

      This obviously ignores their bigotry and hate for people of color and distaste for women… And well, I digress. Suffice to say that these assholes try to claim they’re not racist despite all the racist bullshit and hate they spread, and they use this claim as proof.

      We would love to ignore it but we can’t. Best we can do is inform ourselves.

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    I wish I followed this advice earlier. The way I’ve heard it was: “When someone tells you who they are, believe them.”

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    Pretty standard right wing whataboutism lol “bu-bu-but what about this thing that happen 150 years ago??? Clearly the Democratic party still wants slavery!!!”

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      All the racist democrats left the party to join the Republican Party when democrats voted to give black peoples rights.

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        Even though the names of the two major parties haven’t changed since 1854 (when the Republican Party replaced the Whigs), the ideological alignment of them has continued to shift, at least five times in total (or maybe six, if you count MAGA christo-fascism as separate from what the party was before).

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    I say we compromise and carve “LOSER” on every single monument. You still get your statues but everyone knows you’re a fuckin loser.

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    Whenever someone pulls out the “dEmOcRaTs WeRe ThE cOnFeDeRaTeS” argument, you know they’re either dumb as fuck or arguing entirely in bad faith. Like bro the parties switched in the 1960s it’s just names at this point.

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      Saying the parties “switched” is a large oversimplification. But yes, as the Democrats became anti segregation, it had dissatisfied white, racist, voters in the south. Of which Republicans, were all too happy to cater to, thus the “switch”.

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      1964 Civil Rights Act Senate Version Ayes Democrats Republicans
      House 153 of 244 (63%) 136 of 171 (80%)
      Senate 46 of 67 (69%) 27 of 33 (82%)
      1964 Civil Rights Act Senate Version Ayes Union Confederacy
      House 281 of 313 (90%) 8 of 102 (8%)
      Senate 72 of 78 (92%) 1 of 22 (5%)
      1964 Civil Rights Act Senate Version Ayes Dem/Union Rep/Union Dem/Confed Rep/Confed
      House 145 of 152 (95%) 136 of 161 (85%) 8 of 91 (9%) 0 of 11 (0%)
      Senate 45 of 46 (98%) 27 of 32 (84%) 1 of 21 (5%) 0 of 1 (0%)

      https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/28/republicans-party-of-civil-rights

      All I’m sayin’

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    A close friend was raised in the Carolinas. They were taught that the civil war was about “states rights”. It wasn’t until they were an adult that they did their own looking into what “rights” the southern states were fighting for. It really opened my eyes to how the blinders have been put on so many people. I’m 100% sure that I have my own set, but it’s important to remember, and engage these people when you have an opportunity.

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    What? A bad faith argument from the right? I can’t believe it… took this long to hit 1 million.