• SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works
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    Congratulations, the trolley has derailed, crashing into the ground between the two groups of tied up people. All the passengers inside the trolley are now dead.

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      Trolleys are quite slow affairs, like all public transport they happen at the leisurely pace of thevunemployed.

      We can presume that all passengers of the trolley would prefer the trolley be stopped in this controlled manner than via a further uncontrolled collision.

      Also, since passengers have never been explicitely mentionned in the premise, they do NOT exist. After all, many version of the trolley problen even go so far as to stipulate your kin relationship with the potential victims on the tracks to sway your decision.

      If there had been passengers they would have mentionned repeatedly, yet they have not.

      No, the only person on the trolley is the conductor, the one person with more responsibility than the switch flipping audience stand-in.

      Not suprising, as a lot of scheduled public transportation travels in a state of under-utilization.

      And for that reason, controlled derailment is the only moral certainty, as the fact that the trolley has no brakes is the only guaranteed fact universally included in this problem AND ensuring safe operability of the trolley is a universal responsibility of all persons driving a vehicle in public.

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    7 months ago

    Sometimes, you just need to Kobayashi Maru the situation when you feel like you’re faced with a “no-win” scenario like this

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      I faced the Kobayashi Maru, tanked hits with shields down while I beamed over all that could be saved before the stranded ship was destroyed by the enemy.

      The whole time I was firing at time scoring multiple hits while I circled and dodged.

      Once the rescue operation was terminated, shields were raised to full and I concentrated on the lead ship. It was already heavily damaged and I promptly sent it to pagan klingon hell.

      It was glorious. I continued firing at the next ship, the rage of our weapons soon punched a hole where their bridge once was.

      As we turned toward the last ship, it had broken off, shamefully fleeing.

      We could not pump enough ammunition before it would depart so I took decisive action.

      I ordered to ram the enemy ship into its engine section, they were immediately disabled while we suffered crumpling damage to our evacuated fore section.

      We pulled back and finished off the last survivor from a distance.

      After the battle we scoured the friendly wreck and rescued a few more people as well as some klingon prisoners.

      We dematerialized all remaining wreckagr from the areas, no communications made it out during the battle due to our jamming.

      With the only witnesses aboard my ship I departed.

  • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    7 months ago

    im just trying to figure out why theres a picture of a railroad switch in this meme.

    The railroad switch is fine, working as intended even. Nothing changed, as far as it’s concerned at least.

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      7 months ago

      They would only die if it crashed/tipped over. The image says the train would stop safely, so I assume the friction and center of mass are low enough to prevent it from tipping.

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        “Safe” for the passengers then, but is nobody else truly around that could get hurt by the derailment?

        Also, how many tied to the tracks are literally murderers who if not themselves killed in this manner, will go on to kill many more again?

        Or did these people - cult members? - have themselves tied to the tracks willingly, wanting that easy death rather than slavery of the continued drudgery of existence?

        I… might be overthinking this.:-P

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      7 months ago

      The gap between the wheels in the trolley in the image is much smaller than the gap between the tracks in the image. Still, depending on the amount of friction of the road surface and the wheels, it could either stop safely, tip over and kill people inside, or keep going and run over everyone. I assume it isn’t going that fast though because that turn is very sharp and the trolley would derail itself on that turn if it was going at speed.

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    This has always been my option. Derail the train, if there is a moral choice it is to do everything you can to stop the trolley and failing that is the only guiltless choice.

    If you tried a third option over the two choices given then you can’t feel guilty if the third option doesn’t work.

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        If I was forced to chose between one life or five lives, I chose the possibility of property damage.

        Edit: I added the word If, which I missed originally.

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            Oops I missed the word If at the beginning of my comment.

            I shall fix it, I guess derailing the train is the fourth option, standing by and doing nothing is the third option.

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              Who is forcing you? Now im even more fucking confused? What kind of trolley problem is this.

              “if you were standing at the rail switch of a trolly heading towards 4 people, and flipping the switch would divert it killing 1 person. But there was a person behind you holding a gun to your head, telling you to switch it, would you switch it?”

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        7 months ago

        As passengers their families would be given insurance payouts by the train company so that would be fine.