• flying_sheep@lemmy.ml
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    7 months ago

    What do you mean? Don’t you think transitioning to mostly renewables while coal and gas go down are good things?

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      7 months ago

      Nuclear is affordable, efficient and proven. Abandoning it instead of promoting it was a dumb, conservative move that hurt everyone involved. Except Russian billionaires, of course.

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      7 months ago

      The idiots on here firmly believe that nuclear creates zero waste. In their deranged head there is no nuclear waste that will last for longer than humanity existed.

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        7 months ago

        All coal from the Earth has a radioactive component to it. Burning coal releases more radiation into the atmosphere than a properly functioning nuclear reactor ever does. Fly ash from coal fired power plants contains 100 times more radiation than nuclear power plants emit.

        The idiots on here apparently also think that burning coal somehow doesn’t create waste that will last for longer than humanity has existed.

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            7 months ago

            Germany could have eliminated coal a decade or more ago. That’s an important point to bring up.

            I agree it’s too late now for nuclear to make sense, but that was a lost decade of coal emissions.

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              It would be of the discussion was nuclear vs coal - which it isn’t.

              You’re bringing up the straw man because you want turn away the discussion from renewables.

              There’s good discussion to be had on the (complex) situation in Germany but it’s immediately flooded by the nuke-bots.

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                7 months ago

                The discussion may not have been nuclear vs coal, but the reality was. That’s the whole problem.

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                  7 months ago

                  2 x No it isn’t. I know you love your precious precious nuclear to death and back and you really really need to discuss coal to better shill for it. Nobody cares about your religion and your straw man.

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                    7 months ago

                    “Nuh uh!”

                    Okay whatever lol. Deny reality all you want. More nuclear = less coal, it’s very simple math. Anyone not blinded by “scary nuclear!” can see it.

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        Compared to renewables, nuclear creates pretty much zero waste. The whole story of nuclear energy created less waste than one year of waste from solar panels alone.

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            Toxicity I believe is about equal. Storage requirements are a bit stricter for nuclear in terms of storage container requirements, but much much much less in terms of storage space. Overall, it is much cheaper to safely dispose of the nuclear waste then waste from solar power.

            Note: radiation is not toxicity.

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              7 months ago

              Thanks for this picture-perfect post of a nuke-stan / nuke-bot

              Toxicity I believe is about equal.

              I generally try to respect other peoples religion but yours is a threat to the ecosphere. I believe you know your statement is bullshit.

              Storage requirements are a bit stricter for nuclear in terms of storage container requirements

              People opposed to nuclear know this already but why do you think that is?

              Follow up: How long does it need to be safely stored? Please note the number of years.

              Humanity is about 300.000 years old, the Pyramids of Gizeh were build about 4600 years ago, the Vandals sacked Rome 1569 years ago, WW2 ended about 80 years ago. Now compare the those times with the time radioactive waste needs to be safely stored (and it definitely isn’t at the moment).

              Note: radiation is not toxicity.

              FYI: There are generally five types of toxicities: chemical, biological, physical, radioactive and behavioural.

              To be fair radioactive toxicity stands a bit out because it is (in your wording) much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much more toxic than anything else possibly including ‘forever chemicals’.

              Nuclear energy is not cheaper nor safer, you’re just kicking a toxic, radioactive can down the road.

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                FYI: There are generally five types of toxicities: chemical, biological, physical, radioactive and behavioural.

                Toxicity at least in scientific literature only refers to chemical toxicity. What even would be “physical toxicity”?!

                To be fair radioactive toxicity stands a bit out because it is (in your wording) much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much more toxic than anything else possibly including ‘forever chemicals’.

                If you went to eat unenriched uranium, you would die sooner (as in from smaller dose) from chemical poisoning than radiation damage (uranium is also chemically toxic). People not educated about the actual dangers of radiation tend to greatly over exaggerate its dangers.

                Follow up: How long does it need to be safely stored? Please note the number of years.

                For how long do you need to store toxic (by your weird definition I guess chemically toxic?) substances like lead?

                Since they don’t have a half-life, until the heat death of the universe. So why does storage time only suddenly matter for nuclear waste?

                Nuclear energy is not cheaper nor safer, you’re just kicking a toxic, radioactive can down the road.

                Nuclear energy killed fewer people per kilowatt generated than hydro, wind, gas, and coal. Its just people like you spreading misinformation.

                Here is a good video why nuclear waste is not the issue people like you make it out to be: https://youtu.be/4aUODXeAM-k