It’s the final laptop in the same way that Theseus’s boat was the last one he ever bought. You can replace bits piecemeal, but at some point you’ll end up with enough leftovers for a whole new laptop.
That said, I have an Intel one and it’s a fantastic laptop. Also, not only are the motherboards capable of running on their own outside the laptop, but they’ve partnered with Cooler Master to make little cases for them so you can turn old mobos into mini PCs.
Hardware manufacturers hate this trick to multiply devices.
Should’ve named the company Theseus.
IDK about final but Framework has a pretty strong possibility of being my next laptop.
Anyone got this information not in a video?
Doesn’t work for me since the next machine I buy needs to be waterproof. But good on them!
Why do you need a waterproof laptop? (I’m just curious)
Against spilled drinks.
I’d like to say that it’s useless but after experiencing dropping a full latte on my thinkpad some time ago and the magic drain holes working properly and the laptop surviving afterwards makes me really appreciative of the feature.
Don’t consume stuff over your device?
I have several bottles on my desk but if I eat or drink messy things near my keyboard, I place a towel over it.
Oh these guys. I love their idea but I’m with you on the water resistance.
I’ve been tempted to get one as an alternative Linux laptop to my MacBook.
I own the Framework Laptop 13 and 16. I can answer any questions you have.
Would you buy it again?
The Framework 13, yes. I bought my wife one. I bought another for a cousin. My company has been deploying them for other users. They have been nothing but spectacular.
The Framework 16, it’s still early, but it’s been riddled with bugs. The latest driver pack from late April seems to have fixed most of the issues I’ve been having, so we’ll see, but based on my experience so far, I can’t recommend anyone buy it until the get a few more driver and BIOS patches out.
I was Batch 1 and mine works perfectly. I love it.
Your Framework 16? That’s great! Mine had an issue where the GPU just disappeared until the BIOS updated. It’s been a few days now, and it seems to be rock solid. Most of my issues were GPU related.
Ah nice to hear it’s fixed!
Are you on Windows or Linux on the 16?
Windows 11. I want to play games without having to think about how to get it to work.
Just curious. Proton takes all of that effort out of the equation, plus I’m willing to bet there aren’t as many driver problems, if there are any at all.
Proton can make games from the windows store that I already own work on Linux? Proton can make games that are borked rated on protondb work?
I love Linux as much as the next tech nerd, I have a SteamDeck that I essentially use as a laptop when away from home, and I tried dailying Manjaro on my main machine for a couple months. Proton doesn’t solve everything.
I can totally understand running windows on your main gaming machine, as that’s what I do. I don’t like it, but all of my games work. I also don’t want to have to re-buy games on Steam that I own via the Windows store.
how many years do you think we should wait?
I have both laptops and they’re amazing.
Forbes isn’t great but their overall philosophy means it should last at least 10 years if you take care of it. I have an acer c720 with Debian that still kinda works
That’s not really saying much if that’s all their shooting for. My last two desktops lasted 12+ years and just turned into severs afterwards. My 2013 MBP just got replaced as my daily driver last year and still works as a backup in a pinch. I use a Toshiba Haswell Intel laptop from 2013 as a dev kubernetes cluster. Unless you’re doing something wrong or need to be cutting edge, you should easily get 10yrs out of it. I want to know if I can get 20-30 out of this framework laptop, in theory I’d be possible with replacement parts and such. If framework is in business that long at last.
They’re a new company so we’ll still have to see if they’re as reliable as some older machines. Providing parts and usb c adapters helps with longevity I guess
Apple doesn’t provide board-level schematics so that anyone with a good supplier and a steady hand with a soldering iron can fix their motherboard, though. You also can’t replace parts nearly as easily, even on older MacBooks. Swappable ports also help, so that if HDMI or displayport get replaced you can change to the new standard.
Accessing the RAM, wifi, and SSD are only 5 screws away, and they give you a screwdriver in the package.
Basically, Framework has provided so much information that you could practically build one from scratch yourself with enough determination and self-loathing.
Something not mentioned in the video.
A second Boeing whistle blower just abruptly died.
Upvote for Boeing diss, but probably not the right community.
I own both a 13 and 16 inch. Absolutely love them, especially the 16 inch.
Yeah but what about the laptop?
uhh pause?
What do you mean?
I have repaired a lot of laptops in the past. The repairability depends on the price and the brand. But most of them are repairable. The issue is often first finding the part number and the correct part on the right website. With some luck the manufacturer has a manual available for finding part numbers and repair steps. But most of the time YouTube is where you end up. What I mean is, with other laptops the repair success depends on more variables. The framework laptops stand out because of the ease of the repair process and the success rate of the repairs. Finding the right part number and part online and the guide to actually repair the laptop and the actual replacing is also easy the parts are designed to be easily replaced. It is also possible to send them the broken part back for recycling, how they to that I haven’t looked into yet. The i/o is nice the fact that you can change and decide later to add more ports For the average user this is not the big sell feature. It’s the fact that you can save money and still have your device, have minimal downtime. I compared laptops of the same specs or very close to. The added price is between 100 and 200 euros. You’ll be happy you spent that extra when your laptop eventually had a hardware malfunction. Or can use an upgrade.
Young entrepreneurs are cool. They’re interesting, enthusiastic, and genuinely want to make things better. They haven’t started enshittifying their product yet just because they’re greedy assholes. Remember when Google’s motto was “don’t be evil”?
No, they aren’t. Most of them represent the exact same mentality that leads to enshittification - profit at all cost.
CONSUME CONSUME CONSUME
That “most” is key. We can’t tell how they’re going to act long term. It’s nice to see someone who’s excited about their product, simply because they believe it’s good. Currently, they’re trying to be customer focused, which is a major plus.
It’ll be interesting to check in on these folks in ten or twenty years. They might turn out to suck, just like you say. However, maybe they won’t turn out like most companies, and will stick to the core principles they had when they started. Maybe they’ll become a major ally of the right to repair movement, and become an example for other companies to follow.
Our economic system isn’t undergoing major changes anytime soon. I want to see what someone who’s grown up with enshittification and planned obsolescence does. That’s what makes things cool and interesting.
That looks good, but I’ve not seen much about replacing the screen with one ready for using a Stylus and taking notes at class, do they not sell those? I don’t want to be using a tablet plus a laptop for the rest of my life!
The entire framework thing is not a good value because it costs like ~2000 dollars for a laptop. People are acting like the timeline for use on these things is infinity. It’s not. I have on two occasions went and bought an i3 and Celeron laptop for 100 dollars each. Both of these machines do what I need. Both play emulators, both play videos. I just want to know which use case a 2000 dollar laptop that is modular fits? I feel like this is astroturfing. The laptops have m1 expansion as well. Help me out here. Why is a framework worth 20 cheap and reliable laptops? Inb4 sustainability, you would still be trashing the old parts after upgrading, right? I feel like workstations have so much more value if we are talking about modularity and power. I guess, if this is your one computer to rule them all you might be able to justify the expense, but why not buy a workstation for like 1000 bucks, a 200 dollar laptop, and pocket the leftover 800 buckeroos?
The framework 13 is around a grand pre built and around 900 if you have a spare SSD and SODIMM modules laying around.
I feel like an i3 or Celeron is not really a fair comparison. The framework machines are quite powerful and they’re targeting the prosumer/workstation market.
In the case of sustainability you do not have to trash the parts on upgrade. Framework sells cases to repurpose the main board as a PC/server. You could also buy a shell and create a second laptop. When it comes to throwing out parts on repair or upgrade you are throwing out less overall.
It’s also a fairly new company so between that and the market they’re targeting the products are fairly expensive. Further down the line they could become much more affordable as the company scales. But yeah it does not sound like Framework laptops are a good fit for you right now.
