Standard shitpost and then out of nowhere “Hello inject me with beans please”
WHY IS IT SO FUNNY
I inject myself with beans every morning, usually French press
We’re struggling to deal with climate change and these selfish developers can think of nothing except building more factories. This is a global issue, we need a global solution: eschew factories and services for defining everything globally.
I fucking hate Spring.
The quickest way to get a team of 10 contractors to turn 100 lines of basic code from a decent engineer into 2k, with 50 janky vulnerable dependencies, that needs to be babied with customized ide’s and multi-minute+ build times and 60m long recorded meetings.
Fuck Spring.
They can do that in any season
Ok, you win! 😁 😂
Fuck Spring.
Actually, there’s a lot to be said for being able to configure your spleamtomoter without needing to reverse the polarity on the stack cache rotator arm.
I’m kidding.
Fuck Spring.
Hello inject me with beans please
not again
Yeah, I’d rather get injeancted with beans.
XML is the second worst programming language ever created by humans
I’m gonna need a bell curve hooded figure meme template of this comment, this is comedy gold.
Good luck deciding where each opinion goes.
It’s a markup language, not a programming language.
Whoosh
Seriously though, spring configurations are written in XML and you create variables, call functions, and have control flow. Effectively turning XML into a horrible twisted shadow of a programming language.
All in the name of “configurability” through dependency injection.
Spring moved away from XML ages ago. I work on a 6 year old Spring project and it has never had a single line of XML in it.
I’m fond of saying that all great code earns it’s right to become good code by starting as trash…
But I still think we should all quietly and politely let Spring die a simple dignified death, as soon as possible.
Out of wildly morbid curiosity, do Maven and Ant still shit all over each other to make sure no one has any real idea what the build inputs and outputs are?
I shouldn’t ask things I don’t really want to know, though. My inbox is gonna be full of Java apologists.
No idea, I’ve never used either of those tools.
I think some people still use Maven, but I use Gradle in all of mine. Gradle build files are written in Kotlin instead of XML like Maven.
No idea, I’ve never used either of those tools.
That’s a relief to hear. They were quite bad. Or rather, the way most teams used them was quite bad.
I’ve heard nice things about Gradle. Of course that was mainly from people with deep psychological scars after working with Ant and Maven…
So if you take XML, pervert it beyond recognition, cut off it’s balls and one hand, then it’s somehow it’s fault that it sucks?
They started from XML. There’s nowhere to go but up but spring managed to fuck even that up.
FactoryStrategyFactoryFactoryObserverInterface
Friends don’t let friends use Java 😜
Tell that to SOAP.
Like yaml/toml
The one benefit of toml is that nobody creates a programing language over it.
so far
The one benefit of toml is that nobody creates a programing language over it.
Heh. Any day though, right? I can’t wait to see an excited presentation on code-free coding in YAML…
My favourite take on DI is this set of articles from like 12 years ago, written by a guy who has written the first DI framework for Unity, on which are the currently popular ones, such as Zenject, based on.
The first two articles are pretty basic, explaining his reasoning and why it’s such a cool concept and way forward.
Then, there’s this update:
Followed by more articles about why he thinks it was a mistake, and he no longer recommends or uses DI in Unity in favor of manual dependency injection. And I kind of agree - his main reasoning is that it’s really easy for unnecessary dependencies to sneak up into your code-base, since it’s really easy to just write another [Inject] without a second thought and be done with it.
However, with manual dependency injection through constructor parameters, you will take a step back when you’re adding 11th parameter to the constructor, and will take a moment to think whether there’s really no other better way. Of course, this should not be an relevant issue with experienced programmers, but it’s not as inherently obvious you’re doing something potentially wrong, when you just add another [Inject], when compared to adding another constructor parameter.
Why yes, I would like my stack traces to make no ffing sense! I’m so glad you asked.
Say what you want about DI frameworks, but if I have to remove another fucking global variable so I can write a test, I’m going to cut a bitch.
Is this even a joke? In Spring DI beans are nothing but glorified over complicated global variables.
Also this fits in here perfectly https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=k0qmkQGqpM8
Spring singleton beans are supposed to be stateless though, so they can’t be called variables. Maybe the DI aspect of Spring is less relevant today in the micro service era, but in the day Spring helped make layered monolith apps much cleaner.
Really? From my experience the opposite is the case. I work on a smallish team with 3 other developers and we also have a few spring services with < 100 classes and we constantly run into issues where making changes to a bean causes issues in another unrelated part of the codebase. I can’t imagine what a nightmare it would be with a larger codebase and more devs working on it.
I think this might be the first of these I’ve seen where pretty much all the comments are just agreement.
Tell me more about these beans
I’ll never plaster the back of my car with stickers that all proclaim the same things in ALL CAPS.
But if I was going to…
It would pretty much match this meme.
At work we have a lot of old monolithic OOP PHP code. Dependency injection has been the new way to do things since before I started and it’s basically never used anywhere.
I assume most people just find it easier to create a new class instance where it’s needed.
I’ve never really seen a case where I think, “dependency injection would be amazing here” I assume there is a case otherwise it wouldn’t exist.
As a fellow PHP dev (working in laminas specifically) DI actually is fucking awful, there’s a distinction between a service factory pattern and this thing called DI which is similar to a service factory pattern but uses reflection based type sniffing to guess at which service you want where. I’d considered making a reference to it but PHP developers are few and far between these days.
There are dozens of us
I love dependency injection personally.
I managed to completely change how YARP routed requests by registering a single interface.
The flexibility it provides is awesome. And it makes testing so much easier.
…and the wheel turns again…
