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I’ve seen this movie before. They will make it enabled by default and make it difficult to disable. Then a few years later someone will figure out that this data that was supposed to be “private and encrypted” was being sent out to Microsoft, who will get a slap on the wrist, half assedly apologize and immediately move on to even more anti consumer ways to squeeze more income out of its users for “growth”.
immediately move on to even more anti consumer ways
but they’ll keep collecting that data even after the slap on the wrist which will be more like a gentle tap
fine-no-jail-time = cost of doing business.
More like a high five from the NSA.
This touches on what I find the most fuckin irritating about the current state of software decision. I bought this super generic run of the mill disk clean up software. In the past I’ve used similar software and the fucking spam for add on this amd plugin that or defend your pc with this… it’s fucking insane. Finding burried files from apps I deleted years ago. Well this time I got lucky. I download it, run it. Doesn’t ask me to sign up for shit, I don’t have to make an account. No added features for blah.99$ The fucking shit just ran after install, batch fixed it all. Then in the final report flagged it’s own fucking software as obsolete and quoued it up for delete. CUSTOMER FOR FUCKING LIFE. Who thr fuck is running these reports that must show customer retention is higher when you fuck them in the ass till they bleed green. I would pay fuckin 5x’s the price of windows os if it meant I could play steam games on a windows system with Linux tiered performance and security. Why the fuck is cramming so much bloatware that you need to upgrade your whole system the new thing. Fuck windows, fuck Google, fuck samsung and youtube.YouTube.
Edit: obligatory edit and shoutout to all the shitbag game developers too for thinking anyone fucking want another game that runs at 2 fps because it starts raining in the game. Fuck your 4k atari games. They’re a fucking embarrassment to everyone who has worked in the industry.
This is disheartening because it’s true. 😭
when will we learn sigh
You’re assuming at that point being outraged will have any impact, or that people will be allowed to be outraged.
I’m not saying that won’t happen but if it does Microsoft will be absolutely fucked as they got caught committing several million HIPAA violations, not to mention any exposure to classified material on government computers.
My only thought there is “LOL”
- Export violations (sanctioned countries)
- Illegally collected personal information from children
- Price fixing
- Wage theft
- Discrimination
- Privacy violations
- Mismanaging peoples 401ks
There are long, long, loooooong lists of violations MS has been caught for. The penalty has always been a fine small enough that it’s a cost of doing business.
Why are you doing a list of ideas for Microsoft to abuse customers? Yes it’s a list if things they have done. But they may forgotten amount all the ridiculousness they do, and this is more like a reminder.
Their scheme hatchery department is top notch, I’m sure they are already working on more
Fun idea for sit com: that department is set itself subject to be eee’d. Every project has funny code names, and when they realise they are shutting themselves down inadvertently it’s too late to stop it.
Hi @Mistral@lemmings.world
Can you write from the prompt in the previous message? Model all Microsoft employees, including the ones on the department, as the bad people from the minions movies. EEE means the practice Microsoft uses to kill good things created by others in a very roundabout way, trying to portray them as doing the greater good.
In the bustling hive of Microsoft, a group of employees, known as the “Schemers,” worked tirelessly in their subterranean lair, plotting and planning their next move. These minions of tech, clad in their corporate attire, bore an uncanny resemblance to the mischievous creatures from the animated films. Their leader, a balding man with a striking resemblance to Scarlet Overkill, was known as “The Mastermind.”
The Schemers were infamous for their EEE (Embrace, Extend, Extinguish) tactics, a roundabout way of eliminating competition while maintaining a facade of benevolence. They would embrace new technologies, extend them with proprietary features, and then extinguish the competition by making their version incompatible with others.
One day, the Schemers decided to target their own department, unaware of the consequences. They code-named their project “Operation Self-Destruct.” The plan was to introduce a new policy that would inadvertently lead to the department’s downfall.
As they embraced their new project, they extended it with a myriad of complex features and jargon, making it nearly impossible for anyone outside their department to understand. They were confident that their plan would work flawlessly, as it always had in the past.
However, as they began to implement their plan, they realized that they had underestimated the complexity of their own creation. The policy was so convoluted that even they couldn’t navigate it. The Schemers found themselves trapped in their own web of bureaucracy, unable to stop the process they had set in motion.
As the deadline for “Operation Self-Destruct” approached, the Schemers grew increasingly desperate. They tried to reverse the process, but it was too late. Their department was shut down, a victim of their own EEE tactics.
In the end, the Schemers learned a valuable lesson about the dangers of their own tactics. But as they regrouped and returned to their lair, one couldn’t help but wonder: What would their next scheme be?
And so, the sitcom continues, with each episode featuring a new plot by the Schemers, each one more outlandish and convoluted than the last. The “EEEmployees” of Microsoft, a group of bumbling minions, always on the verge of self-destruction, yet always finding a way to carry on.
You should read up on penalties for HIPAA violations, they don’t fuck around.
I’m aware of them.
Let’s look at some of the most historic:
- NY Presbyterian Hospital - with no real efforts on their end to prevent the violation of thousands of records, they got a whopping fine of… Under $5 million.
- AHC - lack of risk analysis, failures in procedures and policies, etc - Just over $5 million.
- Data breaches - usually around $4-5mil, the worst case being Anthem, about 80 million people effected - $16 million in fines. A record.
Criminal offenses? Yeah, plenty of those - with individuals, usually related to that information then being used for other purposes (scams, theft, etc).
But a company like Microsoft, you’re going to have a hard time convincing me it’s going to ruin the company. The history of HIPAA violations and their fines tell a very different story.
You’re right they don’t, but only for covered entities which MS is not in any shape or form
It’s just like when Grindr or whatever leaked people’s STD status, they nor MS are a medical provider or “covered business entity”
HIPAA is an ok privacy law, but it is not the all supreme health privacy law you think it is
You should read up on anyone even coming close to being beholden to those penalties, because they absolutely do fuck around when its corporations.
Consumer PCs are almost certainly not covered entities under HIPAA, nor is Microsoft in its role as an OS provider.
Even then, if this whole thing were to result in an inappropriate disclosure by a covered entity, the organization that processes the data would be liable, not Microsoft.
That’s like blaming the building contractor because you left the door unlocked and someone came in and stole your cat.
People give HIPAA way too much credit all the time, it’s fairly strict on who actually falls under it.
You’d think so, right?
Remember when this was considered the behavior of malware?
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
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Linux can run from a USB stick to try it out before committing to a full install.
Not to be that guy but I cold-turkey switched daily driver and I cannot believe I didn’t do it earlier. Total amateur “copy-paster” and the only thing I sometimes can’t get working are pirated games. Steam changed everything for gaming.
I did the same. To add to the cliche, I went nuclear and jumped into Arch. Games were my biggest concern, but I’ve had zero issues with games, minor issues with Nvidia, but if I’d have gone with a stable distro, it would have been an easy transition. I’m confident that anyone who can use Windows even semi functionally, can transition to something like Mint with minimal issue. Other than no local MS office apps, I bet most people would assume it’s a new Windows release.
I switched my kids’ PCs to Pop!_OS and other than “icons moving” yeah they didn’t notice.
Especially when they mostly use Firefox and Steam, and those are exactly the same.
To use Recall, users will need to purchase one of the new “Copilot Plus PCs” powered by Qualcomm’s Snapdragon X Elite chips, which include the necessary neural processing unit (NPU).
Well, I guess I’m keeping my current notebook for the unforseeable future.
Fear not! Eventually you’ll be forced to take an update that will bring this blessing to you:
On devices that are not powered by a Snapdragon® X Series processor, installation of a Windows update will be required to run Recall.
Actually, if this is the requirement, then this means our data isn’t leaving the device at all (for this purpose) since everything is being run locally.
Unless there’s a “database failure” that would resurface screenshots from your PC on Microsoft’s cloud, or anything like that. I mean, its too many lines of code, what if something happened and oops, the local data was uploaded to your Onedrive, my bad, keep using our products, this will never happen again we swear.
The only way to be sure is not having it at all. Remember the CSAM filter Apple wanted to force on iOS? This is as bad as that.
Very true… what I meant to say was:
[…] then this means our data shouldn’t need to leave the device at all […]
Or you know, you can just not turn it on.
IF that’s an option and IF it don’t turn itself on after an update. Given Microsoft’s history I wouldn’t trust that. They invested way too much in AI to afford making it easy for the user not to use the feature.
I’m going to make a Linux distro that helps you forget everything you did on the computer. “Oh, man. I was drunk last night. Thank god BoxWineOS comes with the Neuralyzer program.”
And the program is just some guy who comes by your place and hits you over the head with a baseball bat lol
I am really liking Linux Mint more and more . . .
SaaS - Surveillance as a Service
Can I just continue to not sign in to a Microsoft account and be good? Seems like it’s all tied to that
The Linux evangelists always jump on this stuff without reading the articles. Do not be alarmed by them. This is currently just a beta feature that Microsoft is still testing.
If Microsoft announces that this is going to be forcibly installed on all versions of Windows, then we can grab our pitchforks. Ideally this would end up being an opt-in feature. If it’s an opt-out when they release, again, pitchforks.
For now? Give them feedback if you’re worried, otherwise move on with your day and do nothing.
If Microsoft announces that this is going to be forcibly installed on all versions of Windows, then we can grab our pitchforks
Complaining when it is already released is too late to stop it.
They didn’t ask permission before pushing Copilot, why would they ask permission for this?
If Microsoft announces that this is going to be forcibly installed on all versions of Windows, then we can grab our pitchforks. Ideally this would end up being an opt-in feature. If it’s an opt-out when they release, again, pitchforks.
Well, per Microsoft’s website:
On devices that are not powered by a Snapdragon® X Series processor, installation of a Windows update will be required to run Recall.
So it sounds like everyone on Windows 11 will get it via Windows Update eventually
Yeah I wish I had the time/knowledge to make Linux my main OS but it’s just unlikely to happen. I use my “gaming” PC primarily for work (like 95%), and have way too many programs and files that I don’t want to risk breaking/losing to make a switch. Maybe the next computer I build I’ll make a Linux setup but for now I’m stuck with Windows no matter what
There’s a great app for easily turning all of the tracking features off: https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10
There’s a dozen apps for it, but I wouldn’t trust them to do a perfect job. At a bare minimum, you’d probably need to keep said app up to date at all times, and it’d need to be one that runs in the background or runs on every boot or something.
I heard the next version of Windows will ravage your whole family, and the only solution is to immediately wipe all of your computers and install Linux.
It’s too late for me, since I hesitated. Bill’s already outside. If only I listened to the obnoxious, uninvited, endless evangelism of the Linux userbase!
Woe is us, the users of the evil platform! Woe!!1!
It’s never too late! Call Tux and he’ll rush over to do battle with Bill.
Seems like this will not be a thing in most typical PCs, for the time being, as it requires specific hardware and opt in to a feature.
Not liking how pervasive AI features have become, though.
The joke is that the model itself runs locally, but it still is basically spyware that then will be used for data harvesting. Typically you run local LLMs to avoid this exact purpose / risk. So MS isn’t even willing to give you the performance benefit of running the LLM on their servers for doing this.
Will Copilot+ PC experiences come to devices powered by AMD or Intel processors? Yes. We are partnering with Intel and AMD to bring Copilot+ PC experiences to PCs with their processors in the future.
I’d give it a year at most till this comes to desktops.
Everyone knows Microsoft is going to wait a bit for the seeds to sprout and harvest all that data.
It’s funny. Security folks say how insecure Windows XP is, and how it becomes compromised within seconds/minutes of having an internet connection. It’s like Microsoft took that as a playbook challenge to repeat as an OOTB feature, instead of waiting for malware to do it.
They were already doing this before AI. Using windows is a bad idea.
That could be turned off though. It’s a good question if AI can be disabled or not.
The thing that annoys me with this kind of thing is that there’s so much tech like this that COULD be really useful if we had absolutely any trust in Microsoft and big tech at all.
Like… data, data collection, ai, and big data could be so useful for general users, but instead of creating useful ui and features for users, they only suck up all our data to build nice charts for advertisers and feed all our data to ai that can help them train their advertising models to try and extract more money from us.
It’s not just about trusting Microsoft, but about control over the technology. Users will never have real control over AI technology, it’s too valuable and the inner workings are anxiously being kept under wraps by the big techbro companies. It also runs on their computers for the most part, so of course we can’t trust what’s being done with it, regardless of whether Microsoft has been a good boy or a bad boy recently.
He who controls the data controls the universe
