I find having an operating system is bloat.
- KDE is the best if you want customize without editing yaml or xml or you just new to Linux
- XFCE, LXDE, MATE, & CINNAMON are the best if you have very old system but still want to have some customization.
- I3, SWAY, & OPENBOX are the best if you feel need little bit challenge to customize
- NO GUI (CLI) is the best if you feel DE is bloat or systemd is bloat or wanna feel like Hollywood movie hackers
KDE has a really nice suite of applications and utilities. No other desktop environment really compares on that level (and Amarok is back!).
XFCE &etc are also good if you are running lightweight hardware (not just old hardware) but still want a desktop environment.
CLI is best for servers and remotely managed/headless systems.
- GNOME is the best if you have touchscreen desktop
- BUDGIE is the best if you want to feel like using windows 10
I prefer KDE for touchscreens. What is it about GNOME you feel gives it an edge?
I’ve had to entirely wipe my kde config folder enough times because I dragged a widget and created phantom toolbars taking up space I couldn’t interact with or completely broken toolbars that I just don’t have the patience to use it anymore.
I think latly, especially in plasma 6, KDE got as viable on old machines as XFCE and surly mint and cinnamon.
I brought my KDE idle RAM usage down to 500MB just by using the GUI options that come with it. That’s about the same amount a default Xfce or LXQt needs.
Damn can you list some of the options you remember changing?
I disabled all animations, the baloo file indexing and all services that start automatically at login.
I also installed not the full KDE Suite but just Plasma Desktop and then uninstalled all parts I don’t need.
So technically, I’m not running KDE but Plasma. From the KDE application Suite I use Dolphin, Konsole, the archiver, the image viewer, the PDF viewer and the system settings tool.
Ever since KDE made their software more modular with Plasma 5 / Frameworks 5, a Plasma session can be cut down by a lot. Personally, I don’t think it matters much because as soon as you browse the web, the RAM demands of the web browser dwarf that of even a fully decked out desktop anyway, but the options are there – perhaps for certain use cases that don’t involve web browsing.
Fluxbox ftw!!
Installing an extension by itself? That’s easy.
Finding all the extensions you need, actively maintained and quickly updated? Yeah, that’s really difficult, depending on your needs.
I love being in control, I use neovim for this reason. But I remember when I bought my laptop I originally wanted to use awesomewm again as I was on my family PC but I remember spending so much time on basic features like brigness control and such that I moved to KDE insteadd which had these features out of the box. Am I missing something here? Or do people who use window managers actually implement every feature they need from scratch? No offense to anyone or any project, they are all awesome
Cinnamon isn’t that lightweight. You will probably find KDE uses less resources.
After decades of using different window managers, fixing broken configs with major updates, fretting about multi monitor config etc I started using GNOME. It might not look as sleek but I’m a lot more productive now.
In the end I’m just glad we have so many choices.
I feel this, Gnome and it’s opinionated workflow just “gets out of the way” in my experience
I went with XFCE for similar reasons. I played with various DEs at one point but after a while I realized I mostly just need an icon to click on to start the application I want to use.
the majority of people don’t actually want choices though.
If they don’t want to choose, that’s fine by me. But why tf they didn’t want choice? They could just stick to whatever is the default and let others who wanted different choice have their way.
Them using gnome doesn’t stop you from using whatever you want actually.
Right now it’s pretty much how you want it to be.
I didn’t specifically comment on GNOME ma dude. Just the other commenter that said most people don’t want choice. I think it’s not “choice” but it should be “choose”. Having to choose can indeed become confusing, so there should be a default or pre chosen choice. Having no choice means you are locked in. Hence my comment. I am having no problem with people not wanting to choose, but people that do not want a choice is when I am starting to have a problem.
They don’t get a choice in that
I agree, but only on multi touch trackpad, regular mouse and keyboard it’s not great.
What do you find not great about mouse/keyboard GNOME? All the gestures I know have pretty simple mouse and keyboard equivalents. So far I just gesture three fingers up/down/left/right, which I can do on a keyboard with super/alt-super-left/alt-super-right or on a mouse with hot-corner/corner-click/corner-scroll. If there’s a gesture I’m missing out on please let me know, I always like to learn new tricks.
The KDE to GNOME should have been “imagine not having standard min max window titlebar buttons by default” with each following DE dunking on GNOME for the same reason.
Seriously, what degenerate thought this was a good idea. Even gesture spamming Mac users still have their standard GUI in case they want to use the mouse like a normal person or idk someone not fluent in computers wants to use the machine without feeling like chopping their hand off.
I fully agree. Why do I have to install gnome-tweaks just to make the UI usable?
Middle click for minimize and double click for maximize
Can someone fill me in about “Hyprland being banned from FreeDesktop”?
It’s just a young adult miss managing their community as they learn how to run a big project for the first time.
We all made asses out of our selves when we were young and most of us have outgrown it.
surprise surprise: terminally online risers with 4chan lvl takes export their toxicity to everything they touch. thus get rightly hammered
https://drewdevault.com/2024/04/09/2024-04-09-FDO-conduct-enforcement.html
Vaxry comes off as butt hurt.
KDE is my GOAT
Anyone praising GNOME can be dismissed if they forget to define client-side decorations for their comment.
(this comment was made by The Entire Desktop *nix Ecosystem Except GNOME gang)
Imagine having only one big task (displaying text) and not even supporting ligatures.
I appreciate them in print, but do not ever want to see them in my terminal.
Okay, that is fair, but since I also program in terminals using held in or (neo)vim, ligatures are a must have for me.
Plus some nerd fonts even upgrade regular loading animations of some cli-tools.
No idea what held in is, but I live in vim, and … no ligatures, thanks. Same with italics. Ligatures with fixed-width fonts make no sense. I especially hate the combined arrow symbols: why draw attention to something so unimportant?
I mean you do you, but having a “!=” become a “≠” is kinda nice, as are some other = symbols like >= becoming ≥ etc.
Most fonts also allow you to turn of groups of ligatures, that you don’t like. E.g. I never liked “/>” becoming a combined character.
So I don’t see the hate about “fixed width ligatures”.
While I respect your choice to make things more ‘beautiful’ in your editor, I do not think we should ever do this by default.
It might seem nice visually, but suddenly we are not seeing things exactly as the compiler does. And as someone who has spent a lot of time helping folks debug their code, I feel quite strongly that this is just further obfuscating an already challenging field - for superficial gains.
Also, st can fuck off. Just in general. It’s harder to write than it’s constituent letters.
Cinnamon is neat. That’s it
Cinnamon has become my, “I just need to get work done” DE.
I’m fine messing around with Plasma for my personal machines, but for my work laptop, LMDE with Cinnamon. Super stable, simple, it just works.
True. It’s Plasma without all the Plasma fluff. It works, it’s simple, lacks Wayland but it’s being worked on nicely.
I use Linux Mint as my daily driver, and honestly, it just works™ (except using CUDA heavily, but it’s mostly little hiccups). Tried switching to more power user distros, but always having to fix a little thing here and there is getting annoying.
Is this some GUI thing I’m too CLI to understand?
imagine being so uncustomizable that you’re customizable
Isn’t really a good argument, even though this is silly
Extensions are not equivalent to native customization, and both have pros and cons. On one hand, extensions provide a variety of features that can be added specific to people’s likings, but on the other hand, there are chances of incompatibility (in gnome shells for example) and delayed maintenance from developers (which results in having to wait for them to finish the work when dependency updates)
Extensions break every update. Native customization doesn’t unless something dumb happened.
“Calling out” gnome for needing extensions for customization seems stupid when those extensions are easy to find, easy to use, and work really well. On the other hand, I have not been able to find a taskbar for plasma that would let me group windows from an application together while also letting me rearrange the windows inside of a group. I know I need to try implementing it myself someday, but I feel like gnome ends up having more options.
It really depends on what you want. My experience with Gnome extensions has been rather frustrating. For example, finding a working and maintained extension for app indicators is a pain - and you have to do it again for each new release when inevitably the extension is no longer updated.
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I need myself a tilling compositor
Hells yes, Alacritty is my jam
The one true just works terminal emulator. All of the features you need, none of the features you don’t. Perfection!
Alacritty + Nushell is bae
Ok ive been driving xfce for years now i bewn thinking about something tiling thats equally as lite what u recommend. Also needs to be wayland compatable.
sway
