I often take painkillers (acetaminophen aka paracetamol), but I’ve noticed that it’s much more effective if I take them TOGETHER with my ADHD medication (ritalin aka methylphenidate) + my morning coffee. If I don’t take them AT the same time, the painkiller is far less effective.
I do not exceed the maximum dosage of painkiller (1gram per intake, mornings), but alone this would barely suffice to kill my morning headache.
My hypothesis is that since the LIVER has to convert all three, I am effectively overdosing on either substance (painkiller or ADHD meds), and damaging my liver in the process.
Many countries have lowered the max dosage of Paracetamol from 1000mg since there’s indeed a worry that it will cause liver damage. I’m in one of the countries that still go with 1000 (Sweden) and my suggestion would be to use 500mg Paracetamol and 400mg Ibuprofen taken together instead. That’s what the medical professionals themselves do.
That said, something in your life is causing you to have morning headaches and it’s a better idea to fix that. Regular painkiller usage is one of the things that causes it (!). Other possibilities can be waking up during the wrong sleep cycle (deep vs light), sleep apnea causing bad sleep in general, overdosing on caffeine causing withdrawal symptoms in the morning etc.
/Not a medical professional
It’s shockingly easy to OD on acetaminophen. I don’t think you are; i just think it’s interesting how a few Tylenol plus a couple doses of cold medicine can be serious.
Also a fatal dose of acetaminophen/paracetamol is one of the worst ways to die. If you don’t get treatment within like, eight hours of taking it, you will slowly die of liver failure over the next few days and there’s nothing anyone can do about it. So you painfully waste away in the hospital.
Stories of people who attempted suicide by downing a whole bottle of Tylenol are horrific, because MANY people who attempt suicide regret it after the attempt (as is reported by people who survive attempts). This means that people who attempt suicide this way still die, slowly, painfully, regretting it but unable to do anything about it, over a few days. Having to face their loved ones, knowing how hurt those loved ones are by the action. The idea terrifies me.
Note, I am not a doctor, so take this with a grain of salt. But this is what I’ve read.
Yeah, that’s what I’ve read, a day or two of feeling shitty, a day of feeling better and been dead.
Long time headache adventurer here.
You are basically making a homemade Excedrin (acetaminophen + aspirin + caffeine). Stimulants cause your body to metabolize the pain reliever more quickly.
As for if you’re ruining your liver, I can’t say, other than you should probably go see you doctor and ask for a blood panel/ liver function test. Even if your liver values are normal, you’ll know for sure, and have a baseline to compare future tests against. Plus your doctor may have some thoughts on why you’re having a headache everyday.
For me it turned out that while i had acceptable blood pressure, it was high “for me”, and a beta blocker took care of the most frequent headaches. But we didn’t figure that out until we had ruled out a whole bunch of other things.
It was a frustrating journey to be sure. I wish you luck in yours.
Perhaps you’re hitting the nail on the head. My blood pressure is apparently normal (at least during the day). But perhaps it is indeed too high for me. It feels plausible but idk what that is worth. I’m going to ask my doctor to test this idea. Not sure yet which med for lowering blood pressure is good. I thought that Beta blockers were specifically for headache patients. Perhaps this is why… Also, apparently ACE inhibitors and ARBs are also blood pressure lowering agents. Any experience with those…?
Here’s a question for you: Do you regularly drink anything that doesn’t have caffeine or alcohol in it, at all?
Yes. Don’t drink alcohol. I have had many long periods when I don’t drink any caffeine at all. No difference in experience/headaches
It’s best to talk to a doctor instead of asking random people on the Internet.
But since you asked, weed helps to mitigate headaches better than paracetamol and doesn’t affect your liver.
I get headaches from weed
Well, there’s your problem, then.
can’t argue that!
thc and cbd are metabolised in the liver
How come you have a headache every morning ? Sounds pretty worrying to me.
good question, I wish I knew… I am perfectly healthy as far as I can tell. Have had it since I was 10. Perhaps stress that I am incapable of getting rid of, even if don’t have ANY obligation. It’s like its an inherent part of me, never letting go of me…
There is a plethora of causes for “headache”, but you could maybe figure it out based on where and how it hurts. Get it checked.
This thread sounds like a stackoverflow stereotype “How do I do X?.. You shouldn’t do X, you should do Y” except that the people in this thread are actually giving good advice (to find the root cause).
Definitely can see this. Seeing a good family practice doctor or GP would be my advice, this kind of thing is their bread and butter. Sounds like there’s a few potential issues.
Most of those Stackoverflow answers telling you you’re going at your problem the wrong way are correct, too.
Talk do your doctor.
a) Paracetamol on it’s own isn’t healty for your liver if taken regularly. I don’t know the specifics or if there is a safe dose.
b) Headache is one of the adverse drug effects of Paracetamol. Maybe you’re getting part of your headaches from it in the first place.
I asked the doctor that prescribed the adhd meds, but he said it’s no problem with paracetamol. However, I did not explicitly mention taking it at the exact same time. If I take them 5 minutes apart, the painkiller is already far less effective. All taken on an empty stomach.
Not taking paracetamol for many months did not lessen the headache whatsoever.
Ah, alright. Yeah interaction of medication is a complicated thing. I’d advise you to ask your specific questions to a doctor. Is it okay to take them at the same time, is it okay on an empty stomach, is it okay for my liver to take that dose of paracetamol x-times in a month… Maybe they suggest an alternative to Paracetamol that works better and has less side-effects, thus being more appropriate for you, individually. And I think doctors have access to databases and general recommendations concerning drugs and reciprocity and (case) studies. They’re probably more qualified to make a judgement and know about possible superior alternatives. (If there are any.)
They can also just test your blood and see if your liver is fine with what it’s been subjected to.
Yeah, I’d say abstaining from the medication for months and still having the same headaches pretty much rules out it being the cause of that.
I hope you’ll be granted an appropriate solution to your problem. Living with regular pain… isn’t nice.
Every morning headaches can be a sign of sleep apnea. Not saying you have it. Go to a doctor.
You take Ritalin with coffee? I have to space my Ritalin out from my morning coffee by at least an hour, or else I get horrible headaches which can last hours.
Acetaminophen and caffeine are often included together in “extra strength” pain relievers as the caffeine enhances the effects of the acetaminophen. That part at least is perfectly fine. Half ibuprofen half acetaminophen plus caffeine works even better.
The liver has different enzymes to break different molecules, so those drugs might all use different ones, not slowing down the breakdown of others. I didn’t check. Wikipedia usually tells drug metabolism in detail.
Good point. I’ll check. Though I’m not sure if that is the only point of relevance. What if the overal ‘output’ of the liver is still exceeded? Aka it’s just working overtime producing those different enzymes.
