Elon is always obsessed with WeChat’s model. (For those who don’t know about WeChat, it is basically the name of the ‘Everything app’.)
Everything in one single point is pretty convenient but has led to a bunch of risks…
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I’m not sure that I would put “everything” in Elon’s hands… Feels risky
No one should hand out their ‘everything’ to anyone
I gave my everything to someone once, they said it wasn’t enough. Now I only keep it in my hands.
I’m sure you’re just a grower. She/he doesn’t know what they’re missing out on!
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Elon is right to understand that the data of a successful everything app (which can only happen by monopoly) will give him vast power in tech. However, after failing to implement one aspect of it in an established market and after removing most talent from Twitter, how will anyone keep falling for his techno-Ponzi scheme?
He’s still got enough fanboys around.
Look how many people joined Threads? I guess still falling for his techno-Pozi scheme, plus there is no need for people to download an new app.
While I don’t disagree, keep in mind that every instagram user already has a threads profile, even without access. As far as I know I do have a threads account but I’m from europe and last time I checked I cannot access threads.
That’s werid, maybe is Zuck afraid of getting su again by eu lmao
Lol, dude can’t even run something like Twitter successfully, let alone an “everything” app. Not a chance in hell I would use it.
I was wondering if he would hire someone from China who previously runs “everything” app like Wechat. People should definatly look for alternatives
Yeah, uhh we had that in the 1990s and it sucked:
Why do one thing poorly when you can do a whole bunch of different things even worse.
Wechat is so creepy. I mean you could just get caught in some misunderstanding of being labeled as a dissident and get cut off from basically all communications.
And even if you are just an innocent civilian, all it takes is one bad hack and now criminals have the data of 1 Billion people.
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Well perhaps it is creepy but in China it is massively convenient. Nobody uses cash or credit cards except foreigners. Everyone connects socially through it. Yes the authoritarian government is collecting data, how that is creepier than our distributed techno-authoritarian data collection is an ideological mystification.
Yes the authoritarian government is collecting data, how that is creepier than our distributed techno-authoritarian data collection is an ideological mystification.
Because one of those will put you in jail and have you executed and the other one just tries to sell you stuff
The incarceration rate is 4-5x as high in the US as in china
I’m sure. Easy to keep the incarceration rate low when you just go straight to executing criminals and committing genocide against entire ethnicities. Fuck the US, but especially FUCK
NAZI GERMANYCHINA.Please count the reasons for these incarcerations.
According to Bureau of Prisons the majority of those incarcerated are there due to drug offenses:
https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_offenses.jsp
Yeah. Not because of dissent, unlike how the comments of the user I replied to tried to imply
Famously the Untied States has never had a single political prisoner.
Imagine how empty the slave chambers would be with proper drug acheduling in the U.S.
The incarceration rate is 4-5x as high in the US as in china
And the death by starvation rate?
Convenience and marketing will always win at the end. We’re heading that way anyway. People use Apple Pay and Google pay and don’t think for a second what it means. Other forms of ID are going that way too. People want ecosystems without having to lift a finger. Just let big brother take care of everything.
What, you want to talk privately? Use cash? What do you have to hide?
On the other hand, Google/Apple Pay are both pretty great products that replace a horrendous legacy payments system. Recall that for like 40 years the most innovative consumer payment system looked like this. And it was essentially a duopoly as well (Visa/Mastercard).
At the end of the day, cash is still a thing as well.
Well, some countries indeed still commonly use payment systems from 50 years ago. That’s pretty bizarre. I remember hearing about PayPal 20 years ago, how revolutionary it is, and I didn’t quite get what the big deal is. That’s because all around Europe we had secure online payments (secure against theft and such, not against the bank snooping) since the late 90’s, and chipped cards even earlier.
But anyway yea… In person, cash is king. Let’s keep it alive. Some countries are planning to phase out cash, and that really is only because we’re letting it happen due to our lazyness.
I can’t talk about google, but I do recall at launch that increased provacy was a widely touted feature of apple pay. If you’re using a credit card, all of your purchases are tracked, and your credit card provider is able to mine and sell all of that data.
In addition, the merchant can do the same if you use a credit card. With apple pay, your phone anonymizes the number by only sending the merchant an authorization. In addition, apple does not store your transaction info.
If I recall correctly, one of the reasons walmart originally failed to implement apple pay at their terminals was their loss of the ability to track customer purchases. They tried implementing some janky thing with qr codes.
Increased privacy in language of these corporations means “the only people who can access all of your data is us, our 50000 partner companies and every their partner company, and half of the governments on this planet that are currently touted as friendly. But nobody else, trust us bro”.
I know banks are shit, but well I have 4 bank cards from 4 banks from 4 countries, and for now, that shit isn’t pooled yet.
Plus I can still use cash, and even leave my phone at home if I wanna buy… Something… Without it being tracked.
The problem of merchants tracking or stealing your card data is mainly in certain countries using banking systems that are 30 years out of date.
Besides, people keep flocking to using all the store chains’ apps and reward cards and whatnot, using their real names and data, so enhanced privacy in that regard is moot if people don’t care in the first place.
I also don’t recall any talks about giving banks nonstop access to all our IDs and car keys and other stuff that’s slowly creeping into phones, or rather into the hands of the handful big brother entities.
But the payment systems are just one thing that came to mind, it’s not the only problem with these ideas.
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Great track record of ensuring freedom of speech from Musk. If I have to pick my poison on who restricts my freedom of speech, it’s not this one.
Thats from WireMin, I saw it too 😂
If an application has tracking and censorship software that is tied to a country’s government, then chances are I’m not gonna use that app, especially if China’s government is involved. This is why I hate WeChat.
Besides, an “everything app” basically just defeats the purpose of having an app icon collection on your home screen. I like how colorful it looks, and I don’t want that to be taken away.
We’re just getting further and further into dystopia at this point.
Why even have an OS for the everything app? What if we made the app itself into an OS?
Also: Does an everything app contain itself?
I’d argue that Windows from Win98 - XP was trying to be an “everything app”
This was highly unethical and didn’t work
Can you please elaborate?
Honestly I was probably exaggerating a little.
But I was going to talk about stuff like the heavy integration of Internet Explorer into those versions of Windows and the bundling of apps like Outlook Express and Windows Messenger. They were accused by the US government of illegally maintaining a monopoly on PC software through this, and some software that is bundled in most countries still isn’t in the European Union or South Korea.
Still, I do think MS wanted to cause vendor lock in which is a similar issue to why an “everything app” gaining popularity would be an issue.
Predication jokes, gives me hope
We already have an “everything app”, it’s called a fucking browser rofl
He’s a decade late on that. I don’t see people wanting one app having that much of their information being constantly collected in the background. Then again, millions of people agreed to Threads’ data harvesting so…
Most of the are celebrities, they make money from giving up their privacy right.
I imagine most celebrities have primary accounts and people who manage them or at a minimum two phones for that reason so they are only giving up what they want
I don’t trust Musk with anything, let alone everything.
As soon as a company offers ‘ease of use’ for anything, it’ll try to get everything it can get their hands on and use it to their own advantage.
agreed
Shit, I deleted my Twitter account when Musk bought the company. I’m definitely not going to create another one to use X.
Where did you go, if not twitter
Nowhere. I mainly used it for news, I just don’t use Twitter as a news source anymore.
It seems like what he wants to add is mainly real-world identity and payments. The US already has an ‘everything app’ that has that and social media, shopping, classifieds and payments - facebook.
And it is fading
So is Twitter. Adding payments and a bunch of other random shit to make it into facebook isn’t going to help.
I think i ditched fb for almost 3-4 yrs
Facebook is awful, of course. I haven’t signed into my account since 2019 and now I can’t without sending them my driver’s license, which clearly will never happen. Just because I stopped using FB and IG doesn’t mean everyone did, however.
It’s strange. In my limited perspective, it doesn’t work all that well in places where you have good choices. WeChat, Grab and Gojek has worked in their markets.
MYN is struggling in India. They do everything just a little worse than the leading company.
They do cabs but not as good as Uber. They do shopping but not as good as Amazon. So and so.
Someone like Amazon should be able to venture into most of these areas easily. But somehow dedicated companies do things better most of the time
Only reason WeChat works is because it’s built up by the government as the only option to spy and control people. There’s literally no other objectively successful everything app and it’s not going to happen in the west unless we really let our guard down. The only thing that’s close to this in the west is Apple’s ecosystem and they basically got grandfathered in because they “make their own hardware” or whatever lobby bullshit is being thrown.
Everything app has been attempted many times. Every time it ends up wors than the sum of all of it’s functionalities. We already have an everything app - it’s the web browser.
I have seen like 10s of everything apps in the Indian market and they die eventually ! People stick to the aspects of the app what works for them !
Grab isn’t even doing that well.
As someone else said, it only really works in a market that has little to no competition. Anywhere where there’s even a modicum of competition these all-encompassing apps don’t dominate.
I guess w’ll c if X works
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That is sooooo true tho 😂
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