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Why are we not angrier about css generally?
Because things were much worse in the beforetime
Before 1996?
I am blisteringly angry about CSS in general AND THIS FUCKING ISSUE IN PARTICULAR since 2005 at the very latest. Likely enough to up the average for several thousand people with only mild dislike for CSS.
If CSS had a church I would burn it down. In minecraft of course.
I would say because a) there are zero alternatives, and b) it’s pretty powerful; you can generally do pretty much any layout even if it requires hacks, c) switching to something else is clearly infeasible so it’s not worth even asking for.
Just have to live with it (on the web at least).
It good
What we were promised:
Content in one HTML document.
Styles in other CSS, able to apply any to completely alter the layout of the document.
What we got:
<div class=“mt mid flex lt-8 no-margin up-1”>
BaCkWaRdS cOmPaTiBiLiTy 😵💫
CSS 3 is solid, mate. You can do just about anything with it if you know what you’re doing.
Some of the pure CSS stuff I’ve seen is actually insane.
Obviously not actually for real world use, but a great example is https://github.com/kkuchta/css-only-chat
With pseudo sectors, flex, and grid, your options are amazing. I haven’t encountered a design I can’t build in a very long time.
https://csszengarden.com comes to my mind again.
Compared to what? JS? (/joke)
It’s js being the problem in frontend development, not css
Is it just me or is the irony lost on the author? It says “align-content: center” but it’s only vertically aligned…
That’s because under flexbox for horizontal alignment you use a different property called
justify-content.Right, which isn’t confusing at all /s
There’s a learning curve but it makes sense once you’ve used it for a bit. I recommend the frog game: https://flexboxfroggy.com/
Because we already have a way to center text horizontally…
Yes but my grief was with the naming… why not call it vertical-center? Just “center” is very confusing to me because it does not include horizontal.
Because of consistency with the rest of the box model
Well that came like 10 years too late lol
I don’t think I’ll ever use it considering it was already easily possible with flexbox, and before that (although dirtier) with tables as well.
Well, we’ve been vertically centring content with no-trick pure CSS for years now, so, good I guess?
no-trick pure CSS
What do you mean? How else would you center content without CSS?
There were tons of options with multiple HTML elements with a sequence of CSS properties to reliably provide vertical centering (and also use vertical space at the same time) back in the days.
Now, between flex and grid (mainly flex for me, I find them more convenient) all the HTML scaffolding we used to make this work can be removed to get the same result. That’s what I mean with “no trick”.
Oh, I thought you meant you were centering in some special way.
It’s worthless if you have to give it an explicit height, and also if it doesn’t have support in all browsers.
Can we not do away with CSS/JS, learn from those mistakes and try something else? Pls, I beg you 🥺🙏
E: Sorry, forgot the /j Lighten up, Lemmy, not everything is a serious comment that needs your scrutiny or meticulous rebuttals.
What would you replace it with? There are lessons to be learnt from the web, but to “fix” it is much harder
Flash and applets. Let’s just have a do over of the 90’s and early 00’s.
/s
Nah, just back to Gopher and 5k baud. As an aside: Gemini is pretty awesome
Please! I miss my Action Script 3, not this cheap wannabe TypeScript 😭
It’s a joke
The first pass of elm ecosystem solved it. Before elm, it was also solved by other frameworks. But people wanted to be able to reuse their components and not rebuild new ones. React provided the ability to reuse css, and dirty js code in the middle of your application. You already had an way bigger ecosystem because you didn’t have to learn and built a complete new system again.
Personally if I had the choice I believe a new start should start at the browser level. Stop supporting HTML/CSS/JS. Create a new app-centric DSL and not a document centric one like html/css/js.
Ideally something inspired from cocoa layout. And I am dreaming but not accept generic code on the client side and only support a small controlled API. It would solve so many security issues. Sure, the creativity in such an ecosystem will be severely reduced. But we will have a so much improved UX.
I get the reasoning but anything like that would just be abused to enshittify things further with unblockable ads and enforced DRM on everything. At least with the open standards there is the ability to adblock and manipulate certain annoyances at a browser level
Maybe we should start by doing away with x86?
