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    I looked him up and he is English. Weren’t English sailors called Limeys because of the lime juice in their rations, specifically for scurvy prevention? He should have signed up with the Admiralty instead of the pirates.

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      Funny enough…

      1. Yes.

      2. The lime juice was meant as a cheaper alternative to lemon juice. And it wasn’t very effective, lmao. National militaries and sabotaging the health of their troops to save a buck - name a more iconic duo.

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        It was cheaper in the sense of they imported from limes from the Carribean and lemons from India, which with no Suez canal is a pretty big difference. And at the same time they invented steam power, shortening voyages so the reduced effectiveness wasn’t noticed until longer voyages due to newer military doctrines occurred again

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          Well, the reduced effectiveness was noticed. It created significant uncertainty, funny enough, over the actual causes of scurvy, since apparently citrus fruit wasn’t enough, until more rigorous studies happened in the 20th century.

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            thats true, i took vitamin c like crazy when i was out of copper, it didnt do a thing. so i tried copper, was fine for a while, got worse again despite copper, then took vitamin c. went from looking like a corpse in looking merely a bit sick in 24 hours.

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        “National militaries and sabotaging the health of their troops to save a buck - name a more iconic duo.”

        That literally sounds like america though

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    According to the internet, he did it at university, eating nothing but mince, chicken, and mayonnaise for about 2 months. He did so to annoy other students in his classes who were vegan or vegetarian.

    I’ve actually heard a few stories of uni students getting scurvy, although they were because they either didn’t know how to cook or couldn’t afford food.

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      That makes more sense. Although I think the carnivore diet is stupid, most people that are doing it or similar diets eat organ meats, many of which contain sufficient vitamin C among many other important vitamins and minerals.

      Eating chicken salad with a spoon every day seems like it would cause all kinds of dietary issues.

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      You can get that good, scurvy-busting vitamin C from meat just fine, all you have to do is eat it raw

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        And for the longest time, mac and cheese was a luxury dish, and lobster was considered prisoner food.

        It’s kind of amusing to see the eating trends of the wealthy.

        At one point peanut butter and jelly sandwiches were rich food too, because they were able to afford the berries to make jam, or had land to grow them.

        Nowadays it is some of the cheapest lunch you can make.

        I think meat is going that route now, and in 15-20 years the only people who will be able to afford real meat will be the wealthy.

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      That’s not super accurate, there were still public lands for hunting and chickens and goats were eaten regularly by non-nobles.

      That said, it wasn’t common to have meat at every meal.

      Also: feast days, and there were a fucktonne of them (more than the pitiful handful we get nowadays) and were almost always catered lavishly by their local lord as a show of wealth.

      I’m not saying life was ‘better’ then, just that we have a lot of misconceptions about historic periods, usually influenced by movies and other entertainment media.

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    haha, happened to me:

    its copper deficency by zink overload.-

    without copper, there is multiple things that go wrong. but it takes time to deplete copper stores. zink always wins against copper, and meat is full of zink.

    vitamin c d, and iron wont work without copper.

    I did that because I develeoped grain allergy, and was insuline resistant.

    I eat grains again, but sparingly.

    went down from 95 kilos to 65.

    fun fact:

    nobody talks about that. carnivore influencer dont, thats for sure.

    https://www.jbc.org/article/S0021-9258(20)71083-5/fulltext https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/molecular-biosciences/articles/10.3389/fmolb.2021.711227/full

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        I lOVE bread and noodles.

        But I hate having stomach cramps, needing 20 tons of toilet paper for one poop, constant bloatet stomach, well, and hypertension, skin problems, inflammation and anxiety. psorias, heart arrytmia.

        its all gone now.

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            Food wise? Oh that’s easy.

            Fats and salts, before agriculture and animal domestication, were hard to get a significant amount of in our diets, and the plants we foraged were usually much lower in starch and higher in fiber. Our bodies are geared to focus on these nutrient sources, so starches fats and salts taste really, really good.

            Agriculture short circuited that focus as we produced and cultivated plants that were starchier, sugarier, and animals in general tripped our ‘mmmm delicious’ buttons much better than their uncultivated ancestors.

            So basically it’s REALLY easy in our modern diets to get WAY too much starch, salt, and fat because our appetites are geared by millions of years of evolution but we have only been agricultural for a hundred thousand years at the very most and our biology hasn’t caught up.

            So we take in a LOT more of the ‘good stuff’ that our body wants, and too much of anything is not good.

            Hence the modern obesity epidemic and the rise of type 2 diabetes.

            People like to whine it is a personal willpower problem, but it really isn’t.

            It’s a food supply problem. 60% of the space in our grocery stores is just made up of various nutritionally empty configurations of starch, fat, and salt.

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      The word “carnivore influencer” just set me off haha.

      It’s so fucking obvious is it that these people are paid by the meat industry.

      Like, seriously. NOBODY has ever thought eating nothing but meat was a good idea until veganism became somewhat mainstream.

      It’s reactionary bullshit to keep the profits coming.

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        It’s so fucking obvious is it that these people are paid by the meat industry.

        I disagree. I think many of them are legitimately just that stupid.

        Although some probably are paid.

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        I did that because of prediabetis, that worked. many people do it because they suffer. should have informed me about vitamins though. i did stop eating many vegtabls, because i suffered from migraines, and my skin burned, and my nose was always blocked. for that, it worked as well.

        well, there is plenty folks from around earth that only eat meat. but they know what to eat ;-) and I think they eat fish as well.

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    It is pretty funny that eating meat is still seen as a masculine thing. Pff what? Tofu? No i buy my meat like a real man in this other isle, next to the tofu.

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    Should’ve eaten some sauerkraut and fried onions! The manliest of all vegetables! Has the bonus effect of repelling ladies up to 5 feet away!

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    On one hand it’s stupid to sabotage your health to appear more masculine. On the other hand casually bringing up that you have contracted a pirate illness in conversation does sound pretty damn masculine.

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      TBH it’s not impossible to derive necessary vitamins from raw herbivore livers, as many early humans assuredly did when crops were scarce.

      He’s just a pussy.

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        You think early humans ate raw livers for vitamin C? Sounds unlikely. We are omnivores, and except for rare exceptions (I.e. on the Northpole) plant material is more abundant than animals.

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          Yes, sufficient Vitamin C is in raw liver.

          Before the age of human agriculture we were endurance hunters. Don’t believe me? Go survive off of random unidentified plants for a while. (Don’t actually, you’ll be dead in a month tops).

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            That’s discounting the cultural plant knowledge that those hunter gatherers had.

            100k years of ‘Don’t eat that, it kill Grog remember?’ can lead up to a pretty extensive safe list of wild plants as well as a bunch of useful healing herbs.

            We’ve long since forgotten most of it, having not needed it since agriculture.

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        Livers were prized parts of the animal for hunts, we knew the value of organ meat before.

        Just now everyone is like ‘ick, organ meat’…

        That said, I don’t know if I trust modern livers, they are the toxin dump of the body and while I’d happily eat liver before the industrial revolution, I’m not sure its safe to eat now considering how we treat our farmlands.

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          Yeah I’m not suggesting anybody get parasites to prove how manly they are, but clearly the guy didn’t even know the basics of nutrition.

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            Most people don’t bother looking into it other than what they read on blogs or see on youtube. There’s a LOT of nutritional misinfo going around. Thats what happens when social media values reach and clout over accuracy and meaning.

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        that just reminds me of a shitty intelligent design meme where all the foods look like the organ they say they’re good for.

        My new proposed man diet is bananas, cucumbers, mushrooms, and animal dicks. Manliest of diets.

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          The Doctrine of Signs, haha good memories.

          Just as an aside: It has its roots in the ancient greek philosophers and was considered for centuries to be the pinnacle of rational thought. I mean, it wasn’t, but for literally more than a thousand years it has been a form of mental masturbation amongst the oldschool academic elite.

          Got a lot of shelf fungus prescribed as ear medication lol