Quick question, I’m looking to make an Mbin account and just wanted to ask if there is any lemmy.ml type of situation to be aware of.

  • melroy@kbin.melroy.org
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    When I created the Mbin fork, I got a lot of hate without any reason. The reason the fork was created was simply because the kbin development was stopping their development. And the project was a bit trapped by a single maintainer. Hence also the reason I introduced C4 spec: https://github.com/MbinOrg/mbin/blob/main/C4.md.

    Since C4 spec is in place, I’m not the only maintainer. Multiple people have full rights of the project. But I’m also tired about all the sh*ttalk about us.

    If you have any follow-up questions to me personally (I can only speak on my own behalf). Just post them below my comment.

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      It seems there are always people on the internet who spread negativity about those who actually create things. Best you can do is ignore them.

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        Apparently so. And I don’t even get paid to do development. I also have a full-time job at the same time. So Mbin development takes a lot time and effort. And people don’t see that.

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    There’s a list on the Mbin’s website, I’m surprised it wasn’t mentioned yet

    https://joinmbin.org/servers

    I can recommend these instances:

    • fedia.io (It’s the biggest one, so it would be better to avoid for the decentralization)
    • kbin.earth
    • thebrainbit.org

    The later two are run by mbin devs so they should be pretty good

    Additionaly there’s !AskMbin@fedia.io magazine, so you can ask questions there instead.

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        Alternatively, setup your own instance is my best advice. If you have some technical skills to setup one. That would help decentralizing the most of course. If you need to help. We are happy to help.

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          Is there a still a concern for self hosters of public instances regarding CSAM content? And if so, any guidance on how to mitigate it?

          I am very interested in self hosting, but I am worried of its legal repercussions, especially since I am an immigrant in the country where I live and afraid to get in any legal trouble.

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            The EFF had a handy explainer a couple of years ago on basically that subject:

            https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/12/user-generated-content-and-fediverse-legal-primer

            Child Sexual Abuse Material (CSAM): Service providers are required to report any CSAM on their servers to the CyberTipline operated by the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC), a private, nonprofit organization established by the U.S. Congress, and can be criminally prosecuted for knowingly facilitating its distribution. NCMEC shares those reports with law enforcement. However, you are not required to affirmatively monitor your instance for CSAM.

            By my understanding, you don’t have to setup proactive monitoring for CSAM being federated in, but if you specifically spot CSAM or it is reported to you then you are legally obligated to report it

          • melroy@kbin.melroy.org
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            As long as you report the content and act fast if such kind of material is on your site. Also you can disable account registration, so it only you and maybe some friends you know that have an account.

            Last but not least, you can also block domains in Mbin. I blocked some domains I just do not want to federate with!

            NSFW site

            Like lemmynsfw (dot) com.

            And yes you can add that in the admin panel yourself.

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              2 months ago

              Even if I disable account registration, I may still be liable if somehow the content ended up on my instance due to federation right? Or is that not a concern?

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                Well… the answer is always yes. But you can mitigate the problem further by not only disable account registration but also check the setting “Force users to login before they can access any content”.

                So in the end, that means that nobody can see any content without logging in. And since you are the only account, only you can see the federated content.

          • DarkThoughts@fedia.io
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            I would not risk it if you’re at risk of getting kicked out or something, especially if your host country is stricter on that type of content. Just join one of the existing instances and subscribe to whatever Lemmy communities you want to see federated with it.

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      Have to say, I get that this is unpaid and great volunteering, but that website has pretty bad contrast. Sorry.

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        I’m the one who made the website. Do you think if we just brightened the outlines around the ui elements that that would help with the contrast?

        To me, it looks fine, but if changing something made it better for other people, I’m all for it.

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          I feel like dark theme is often tricky on different monitors - If the font is too heavy it’ll look awful, if it’s too light it might look bad on low resolution displays. Combined with different colour contrasts on different screens, and it gets really difficult to know what people will end up seeing.

          The headline - “MBIN SERVERS” - looks great on my 4K monitor, but slightly less good on a worse one. The same goes for the text stating that “Also view servers on FediDB and Fediverse Observer”, but it’s not so bad for the white text. The hyperlinks, however, might suffer from a lack of contrast with the background (a slightly too dark blue) combined with very thin text on low resolution monitors.

          I guess brighter hyperlinks could also benefit the names of instances.

          It’s not something I ever noticed myself when using the site, but keeping it in the back of my head while looking at it I can see why some might have some problems with it. :)

          • melroy@kbin.melroy.org
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            yeh I agree, the hyperlinks needs more contrast. And also on the homepage the sub-title “A federated content aggregator, voting, discussion and microblogging platform (By the community, for the community)”, can also have more contrast.

            I also believe the text (especially headings maybe) can use a more bolder text. @jwr1@kbin.earth Try to set font-weight of 400 on the .font-extralight CSS class instead of 200.

            @Aatube@kbin.melroy.org if you want to share your problems in more details, please help us out you can join the issue chat on Matrix if you like. And ideally share some screenshots if that would help to explain the problem. Another approach is to create an issue at GitHub (which does require a GitHub account): https://github.com/MbinOrg/mbin-website/issues/new

            Or explain the situation here in this thread in more detail is also possible, but that is up to you.

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    I’m using fedia.io and it’s very stable. Nice after the instability of kbin.social and kbin.run. although I could be bad luck and causing the devs to run.

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      @jerry@fedia.io is helping us a lot! And the Mbin devs are in close contact with him to keep the server up and running as stable as possible. Both parties are trying to respond quickly. And we all appreciate that a lot! I can’t thank Jerry and the Mbin community enough for this.

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          It really is great and we’re very lucky to have the mbin team that we do. I sincerely appreciate them, as should everyone on fedia.io and the other mbin instances.

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        Hey, so I noticed that the layout on fedia.io is great on my tablet, and my pc, but on my cell phone it’s garbage.

        Is that a fedia.io issue I should let Jerry know about? Or is it an mbin issue that I should show you?

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    Welcome! kbin.melroy.org is the biggest one that I’ve seen that isn’t blocked on my school network. It’s run by one of the maintainers (hmmm, m-bin, melroybin?) and uses the latest stable release if that’s a plus for you.

    To the best of my knowledge, there is no political situation.

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      yes kbin.melroy.org (sorry about the kbin subdomain name, but changing the domain name will cause federation issues…) is indeed from me (Melroy). And since I wasn’t creative the m in Mbin stands indeed for Melroy. Which is my first name. I was also a very active contributor of /kbin on Codeberg before the fork.

      Disclaimer: Anyways, since I’m also developing, I sometimes do test some patches or run the latest greatest bleeding edge version from the main branch. Just saying :). Which might not always be the most stable haha. BUT!! You can you run & test the latest features, that is for sure. Haha.

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    2 months ago

    What exactly happened for the name to be changed from Kbin to Mbin? I missed that plot point.

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      Like people already mentioned below, a fork was created after kbin development halted. And the project maintainer was absent but at the same time didn’t delegated the work fully. Hence the creation of the fork: Mbin.

      I wasn’t creative, so the M in Mbin stands for my name: Melroy. xd

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      Mbin is a community fork of Kbin. Even while Kbin was still a thing it was already much faster in making changes & additions than Kbin and by now Kbin & Kbin.social is basically dead.

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        This is indeed all true. Mbin is named after Melroy (I know, I wasn’t creative). And by introducing the C4 spec, I made sure the project isn’t in hands by a single maintainer and multiple people are already and can become full maintainers of the Mbin project. Hence the reason I also describe it as: “By community, for the community”.

        We welcome any developer to join us and help if you would like to contribute (in any way or form you like). You can find us at Matrix chat.

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      Mbin is a fork of Kbin. A lot of users have moved from Kbin instances to Mbin, as the Kbin dev has had some personal life issues that have interfered with his ability to reliably work on the project.

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    I’m quite sensitive to Tankies and seen some other Lemmy instances that seem problematic but I have not noticed any mbin instances standing out in any way. But all mbin instances combined are just a few thousand users at best, so it might just be too few users to even make an impact if there was a specific Tankie instance.