• BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works
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    Not OP check out my username for an idea of where I live. Besides a bit of gang on gang action in our capital, violent crimes are extremely rare. It’s maybe once a year that police have to shoot at a person, and even then police officers will assess the situation and if possible not go for center mass.

    Note how I left out theft. That’s because you can’t directly use violence to protect property.

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      Note how I left out theft. That’s because you can’t directly use violence to protect property.

      I remember hearing this when I lived in the UK for a few years and I was blown away. What are you expected to do if being robbed? Let it happen?

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        There is a solution, it’s called insurance. I know that you wouldn’t get your family heirlooms back, but neither would you being armed but not home.

        I know the other guy wouldn’t say it, so I’ll go ahead and do it: you sound like you’re out for revenge, but you don’t know on whom to exact it. I fear that you could end up shooting a porch pirate in the back while claiming self defense.

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          There is a solution, it’s called insurance. I know that you wouldn’t get your family heirlooms back

          Then it isn’t exactly a solution, is it? The jewelry probably only would appraise for <$1000 (probably far less). It’s not about the monetary cost.

          but neither would you being armed but not home.

          Yeah…? I don’t get this line of argument. This just in - guns only effective when there’s a human there to operate it. No shit…

          You’re simultaneously arguing that guns are overkill to solve theft and that guns don’t solve theft.

          I fear that you could end up shooting a porch pirate in the back while claiming self defense.

          The state I live in currently wouldn’t allow for me to use deadly force to protect property. But states I’ve lived in in the past sure would. As of now, I would have to be in fear of great bodily harm or death in order to employ deadly force and that’s the standard I will follow. Just keep in mind that many robberies involve a deadly weapon on the perpetrators side which is an immediate green light on my end.

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        You do what the police do, and provide a proportionate response.

        A gun is only to be used if you are in imminent danger of your life. A robbery is arguably not that, unless they’re trying to steal your organs or prostheses.

        There’s a reason your average supermarket security guard doesn’t immediately whip out the Mini-Nuke the moment they see a shoplifter.

        There’s also something to be said about the place you’re living in, where you’re to be terrified of stabbists and robberers the moment you step out-of-doors. Do you live in a hive of scum and villainy?

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        2 months ago

        Call the police. Are you in physical danger? If not why are you putting yourself in physical danger?

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          I don’t think I understand your question.

          What scenario are you imagining with these questions?