• IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    We’re in a post-truth world. The corporate media have normalized candidates that just stand there and tell lie after lie with little pushback.

    I don’t know how, or if it’s even possible, to get back to the days when lying assholes got treated like lying assholes.

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      3 months ago

      Headline:

      Trump ponders if we should nuke a hurricane. [Insert literally anyone else’s name here] thinks that’s probably a bad idea bUT iS iT?

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      I refuse to believe it’s “post”-truth. It’s a truth recession.

      We have more overt fact-checking. if that trend continues, it can help push back on the patent falsehoods.

      I’ll debate the goals and methods of one party vs another, and I’ll accept that one of them will have really bad ideas. Fact check the lies so they have to support their points on facts, that is, and I’ll accept it.

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        We have more overt fact-checking. if that trend continues, it can help push back on the patent falsehoods.

        We don’t though. Fact checking after the debate is of limited use. If you don’t confront a lie the second it’s told, the liar will rapidly go on to tell more lies and you end up with a Gish gallop of bullshit which is what we saw from Vance and Trump. They got away with it. A fact checking article on NPR the morning after does very little.

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    That’s a whole lot of Vance with, what should be, his foot in his mouth. Unfortunately nothing will come of it.

    Walz’ correction was his admitting he fucked up something. I guess they needed to “fact check” him on something otherwise the right would scream persecution.

    It’s a lot easier to not lie, but less profitable for the masters.

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      otherwise the right would scream persecution.

      Don’t worry, they’ll do that anyway.

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      I was actually pleasantly surprised by his admission to misspeaking, even though some pundits considered him unprepared for the question. Kind of a breath of fresh air hearing that instead of some distraction.

      Personally that moment made him a bit more relatable to me, contrasting with Vance and his stream of lies and excuses.

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    Good God it’s all Vance.

    Actually listening to NPR earlier, fact checking guest said both sides have always lied, but GOP has always lied more even prior to Trump. JD on stage reminds me of those days where it’s told straight as a cohesive argument, is still a lie, but harder to detect because the lie isn’t told like a batshit conspiracy theory.

    Those kind of lies are the kind I hate most, although I guess America has shown that idiots will eat up even the batshit crazy lies…

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    Most of the time Vance was lying or distorting everyone’s record. Falsely and with bigotry blaming much on immigrants. Typical Republican.

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    This is nice but almost no one is going to see it unless they do a follow up with the same viewership.

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    I don’t understand what expectation do US citizen have of their government. If they literally supporting a genocide in Gaza, they clearly don’t care for human life and what they see is either Money, or Religious points.