We’ve had some trouble recently with posts from aggregator links like Google Amp, MSN, and Yahoo.
We’re now requiring links go to the OG source, and not a conduit.
In an example like this, it can give the wrong attribution to the MBFC bot, and can give a more or less reliable rating than the original source, but it also makes it harder to run down duplicates.
So anything not linked to the original source, but is stuck on Google Amp, MSN, Yahoo, etc. will be removed.
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Haha, wow you guys really need to work on your PR
There are so many good reasons to block aggregators and you picked the worst one, your bot that no one likes.
Yeah, seriously, aggregators are annoying as fuck, they’re link rot waiting to happen, it’s impossible to tell the quality of the source from the URL…
And the problem is of course the MBFC bot. It’s a change for good, but this is what we’re going with? They chose the one line that would get them backlash for an objective improvement.
MSN is cancerous and was barely usable the last few times I’ve been bamboozled into going there. Yahoo is the same, just easier to avoid. I honestly haven’t run into the Google one.
They literally add nothing to the internet as far as I can tell.
MSN is one of the biggest piece of shit middlemen I’ve seen on the Internet. Good riddance, and to be absolutely clear, I’m glad the mods are doing this.
Glad just also wish it was for reasons other than the shit bot can’t handle it.
Ffs just say it’s because they’re terrible and take away from the actual source not our shit bot has issues finding the actual source
Is that the bot that says how reliable a source is? I blocked that one like a day after they started using it
Your bot is bad and you should feel bad
I’m open to making it better, do you have suggestions?
Everytime people try to threads either get locked, ignored or the users banned.
surprisingly admins just stick fingers in ears and yell at users to just ignore the bot
Not seeing any suggestions there to improve the bot, but lots of bannable attacks on other users, mods and admins.
So I’ll say it again, as I’ve told other people complaining, I’m open to making the bot better. If you have suggestions, I’d love to hear them.
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It has to be automated, which means accessible through an API.
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It has to be no/low cost. Lemmy.World doesn’t have a budget for this. We met with an MBFC alternative, they wanted 6 figures. HARD no.
Ok, i’ll bite. I don’t value the bot (in part because it rates sites/newspapers and not authors or articles. Good news sites have the occasional shit article and vice versa), so please reduce the precious space it takes up on my mobile device. A one liner with a link would be enough.
I feel your pain. Some readers, like mine (Boost) don’t handle the spoiler tag markup correctly and it ends up bigger than designed.
You could get rid of it. No automation, API, or cost whatsoever.
I can’t, it’s Admin level.
How come !news@lemmy.world was able to remove it?
The Admins removed it there.
You could ask them to remove it. Or you could ban it. The other news community doesn’t have it any more. Clearly, it is possible.
So already ignoring. This is why people stopped giving feedback
I can’t ignore suggestions nobody is making. Have a better service in mind? Feel free to present it.
We looked at AllSides, which is good for bias, but has no scoring for credibility.
Stop pretending that “get rid of the bot” doesn’t count as a suggestion. That’s dishonest.
I don’t even care about the bot itself, but at this point I’m just getting pissed off by all the constant distracting bickering about it.
When the question is “how do we improve it?” the answer “get rid of it” is not a genuine suggestion.
The GOOD news is, we DO have a genuinely good suggestion here and the bot creator will be reaching out.
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https://kbin.melroy.org/m/news@lemmy.world/t/411778/-/comment/3689270
I’m glad that the gist of the Wikipedia thing has finally been implemented, but it currently has major glean issues
Really? That’s your compelling argument?
It’s to difficult for your bot, that’s universally hated in this community, to work with?
The bot is instituted by the Admins and with good reason.
But yes, this has been the problem that pops up recently. The bot sees “Oh, MSN, they’re reliable…” but the OG source is not.
i think a better bot would be one that shows the financial/managerial ties a publisher has in a tree format so people can make the decision themselves about political bias
That actually is partially listed on the MBFC site, but you have to follow the link through from the bot to see it:
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-guardian/
"Funded by / Ownership
The Guardian and its sister publication, the Sunday newspaper The Observer, are owned by Guardian Media Group plc (GMG). Scott Trust Limited was created in 1936 to ensure the editorial independence of the publications and owns Guardian Media Group plc (GMG). The Guardian states that “The Scott Trust is the sole shareholder in Guardian Media Group, and its profits are reinvested in journalism and do not benefit a proprietor or shareholders.” Donations and advertising fund the Guardian.
The Guardian switched to a tabloid print format in 2018 to cut costs. According to The New York Times, The Guardian “refused to set up a paywall — the preferred strategy of many of its rivals, from The Times of London to The Wall Street Journal and The New York Times — opting instead to ask its readers for donations, even setting up a nonprofit arm to help fund its journalism.”"
Oh no, we wouldn’t want to inconvenience the mbfc bot that that literally everyone hates and wants gone. That would be awful.
I like the bot, and I also hate amp links and url forwarders that can literally take you anywhere but where it’s supposed to.
How dare you have a different opinion. It’s not hard to block the bot, I don’t see why everyone gets their jimmies so rustled about it.
Tell me, whos paying so that the admins continue to use the bot against all feedback? There’s nothing short of money that makes people stick to hated ideas more. Is this how y’all try to secure server contributions?
Solid rule. 9/10. One point deduction for making me look at Tom Cotton.
What if the Yahoo article is because the original is paywalled?
You can use an archive link to get around a paywall, that’s always been allowed.
But that’s literally rule 2.
dont use archive to get around paywalls…
Archive links are allowed, and, in fact, if you submit a link from the web interface, it offers to generate an archive link for you.
I specifically clarified that with the Admins when they asked us to crack down on copy pasting full articles.
So then the rule is wrong where it says do not do this on paywalls specifically
I’ve got to wonder why you guys are so insistent on the bot? Personally I just ignore it but the amount of noise it generates for you as mods cannot be worth the tiny amount of value it brings to a handful of users.
It generates a lot of noise in a thread like this, but it’a largely ignored in practical use.
If it’s usually ignored isn’t that a sign to remove it because it provides no value?
It’s definitely as value, it provides clear markers for other users before mods can intervene.
It generates a lot of noise in a thread like this, but it’a largely ignored in practical use.
provides clear markers for other users before mods can intervene.
As others have said, work on PR
Why does everyone have such an issue with something that is so easily ignored? I honestly don’t understand all the outrage over this.
Because it is a bot that
- Gives a biased opinion
- Pretends to be objective
- Was not asked for, and does not need to exist
- Forced onto the users despite many objections
One could just block it if they wished, but many users feel that their only way to give real feedback is by downvoting it. The Lemmy World admins have clearly shown they will not remove it no matter how the userbase feels.
If it simply gave the admins/mods feedback about sites, there wouldn’t be very much pushback. But since it’s in every story, giving an opinion of the news organization, it is attempting to influence the conversation.
You and me both! They did have a point when the bot had a donation nag on it, the bot creator heard that complaint and removed it.
Ah yes, people roasting volunteer mods about a thing they could easily ignore. We’re encroaching more and more on Reddit’s turf every day.
With all the negativity in here, I just wanted to say thanks for all that you do @jordanlund@lemmy.world
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LMFAO
May the most useful the bots been
