• penquin@lemm.ee
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    136
    arrow-down
    9
    ·
    2 months ago

    Bro, this “king” and “queen” bullshit is fucking hilarious. It needs to fucking go away. Why the fuck would anyone be ok with some dude who’s never held a job in his life to be his/her “king”? Snow white tale isn’t real. Fuck off with this shit, man.

    • SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      75
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      2 months ago

      Then you look at the USA where a large part of the population really wants there to be a King Donald the First.

    • Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      40
      arrow-down
      5
      ·
      2 months ago

      Right? “Here’s a family of inbred, pedophile, do nothings. Worship them peasant, and give them your money, for they are better than you. Because reasons.”

      It’s so stupid that we still do this in 2024. I’m a Canadian citizen for 20 years now, and when I took the oath I straight up refused to recite the pledge to the monarchy. The judge actually let it slide.

      • penquin@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        8
        ·
        2 months ago

        That’s actually awesome that you didn’t pledge allegiance to some dude who is not even in your continent.

    • Maggoty@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      12
      arrow-down
      7
      ·
      2 months ago

      To be fair, this specific royal family serves in the military and does not shy from front line duty. Although they kicked the last one out for marrying a divorced mixed race woman. So there’s that too…

    • nucleative@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      3
      ·
      2 months ago

      A long time ago his clan beat out some other clans so that makes him king.

      I’m pretty sure anyone is welcome to challenge his assertion of authority at any time by the same means.

      • Not a replicant@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        2 months ago

        Not really - the current British royal house is german-descended. There are noble families in the UK with longer english/british pedigrees than the ~~Saxe-Coburg Gotha ~~ Windsor/Mountbatten family. But the current situation suits them better than rocking the boat.

      • undergroundoverground@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        2 months ago

        No no, they dont call them kings. They call them wealth creators and, despite worshipping them in much the same way, them ruling their offices in much the same way and literally just being a financial aristocracy, I’m told its a totally different thing.

    • Lets_Eat_Grandma@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      7
      arrow-down
      32
      ·
      2 months ago

      Because it makes money and is entertaining.

      Without the celebrity status and novelty there would be a lot less tourism in Britain. It’s not like people go there for the food or the weather.

      • Cruxifux@feddit.nl
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        41
        arrow-down
        4
        ·
        2 months ago

        Why do British people think King Charles is the reason people go to Britain to visit? Nobody gives a shit about your existing monarchy outside of your country. We go there to see castles n shit.

        • Naryn@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          6
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          2 months ago

          ^Nobody gives a shit about your existing monarchy outside of your country

          Patently false.

          30m Americans watched Harry and Megans wedding, that’s 3x the viewership of the NBA finals

      • otp@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        37
        ·
        2 months ago

        If they got rid of the royal family, that wouldn’t mean they’d need to get rid of all the castles and other historically relevant places and architecture, too…

        • Lets_Eat_Grandma@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          11
          arrow-down
          24
          ·
          edit-2
          2 months ago

          Do you know how much money paid to the “monarchy” goes to the upkeep, maintenance and renovation of the properties that attract tourism?

          Have you seen the revenue those properties make, and how 88% go to the treasury ministry?

          edit: downvotes because nobody wants to actually figure out anything about the situation. I’m not even british, i’m fucking American but even I know the “royal family” brings in way more money than the architecture any fucking day. So much bullshit infests the news cycle from them, if people didn’t give a shit then they wouldn’t put it in the news - because the stuff in the news is what sells.

          • ѕєχυαℓ ρσℓутσρє@lemmy.sdf.org
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            19
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            2 months ago

            Similar properties in other countries also make a ton of money. Why do you think it’s the “royal family” that brings in the money? It’s not like tourists can even meet them. What exactly do you think is the draw for normal people? Outside of some lunatics, who gives a fuck?

          • otp@sh.itjust.works
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            11
            ·
            2 months ago

            Probably a decent chunk of it.

            How much extra is paid to support the lavish lives of royalty? And how much is paid to make those properties liveable rather than as tourist attractions?

            Plus empty buildings don’t need quite as much security as kings and queens and their families…

          • Skua@kbin.earth
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            11
            arrow-down
            3
            ·
            2 months ago

            even I know the “royal family” brings in way more money than the architecture any fucking day

            Based on what? France is literally right next door and it’s the biggest tourist destination in the entire world, bar none. Nobody is going to Versailles and complaining that it’s just not the same without the state waifu living there anymore.

          • FooBarrington@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            7
            ·
            2 months ago

            Do you have any idea how much the royal family owns? If their possessions were transferred to the state and invested, the RoI would probably be higher than whatever they bring in through tourism.

          • GhostFaceSkrilla@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            4
            ·
            edit-2
            2 months ago

            We don’t need a royal family to attract tourism to the buildings. Tax money can still go to upkeep historical sites, the guards, and all the touristy stuff. More of the revenue goes back towards infrastructure.

            if people didn’t give a shit then they wouldn’t put it in the news

            Look up “propaganda” in the dictionary.

          • dogslayeggs@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            3
            arrow-down
            16
            ·
            2 months ago

            People are fucking ignorant and think they know how that shit works. You are 100% correct.

    • twinnie@feddit.uk
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      11
      arrow-down
      38
      ·
      2 months ago

      It’s just a ceremonial thing, they don’t have any actual power. Plus it makes money for the country. There’s not really any reason to get rid of them and King Charles is always pushing anti-climate change stuff so he’s actually using his influence to try and help.

      • Klear@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        38
        arrow-down
        4
        ·
        2 months ago

        Plus it makes money for the country.

        I call bullshit. The Louvre makes more tourism money than Buckingham Palace even without some rich assholes living there.

        • dogslayeggs@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          11
          arrow-down
          22
          ·
          2 months ago

          Then congrats on not knowing how all of it works. Buckingham is just one castle that runs tours. They also sell tours of Windsor Castle, Frogmore House, the Royal Mews, Clarence House, the Palace of Holyroodhouse, and the Queen’s Gallery. Their events (coronations, funerals, weddings) also bring in tourist dollars. Windsor Castle alone brings in $50M/year, while the Louvre by itself is $100M/year.

          But that is ONLY the ticketing revenue they bring in. They also sell shitloads of trinkets, memorabilia, gifts, etc. People buy sets of collectible dishes! More than that, though, is the media money they generate. They are basically influencers. News agencies and tabloids sell TONS of adspace on websites and newspapers from info about the royals. Their Christmas specials bring in tons of TV viewers.

          In the end, they only cost the UK taxpayer 1.29 pounds per year per person (89M pounds total per year) and have an estimated yearly input to the UK economy of close to 1B pounds.

          • ѕєχυαℓ ρσℓутσρє@lemmy.sdf.org
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            26
            arrow-down
            4
            ·
            edit-2
            2 months ago

            You do realize that tickets to the castles, memorabilia etc. would sell without them, right? And there’s no shortage of celebrities. If they don’t exist, something else will take their place in those tabloids.

            • dogslayeggs@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              6
              arrow-down
              6
              ·
              2 months ago

              A) But they would sell far far fewer tickets and less memorabilia. I’ve been to really nice castles that are nowhere near as many visitors and have tiny gift areas. The most famous castle in Germany (Neushwanstein), also one of the most famous in the world, only makes about $6M/year while Windsor makes $45M/year on its own. A castle I went to just outside London was really beautiful and cool, and I could freely walk around it with almost no tourists and an entrance fee about half what Windsor was… because it wasn’t connected to anyone famous. It was just a castle. I went to the main palace in Vienna, and it was basically empty.

              B) Fame isn’t a zero sum game, and some things aren’t so easily replaced. It’s like saying if Jordan hadn’t been in the NBA there would have been another player of his caliber. Or if Michael Jackson hadn’t been around in the 80s there would have been another King of Pop as big as him. To be clear: I’m not saying the people in the royal family are special like Michael or Michael, but the royal family as an entity is something the world doesn’t have any more. How many people know the royal family of Spain or Denmark or Saudi Arabia outside of the people in those countries? Now how many people know the name Queen Elizabeth? Not only that, but the people who buy tabloids fucking love reading about royalty. Yeah, there will always be famous people, but the things they are famous for aren’t easily replaced.

              I’m no fan of the royal family. I think they are fucking disgusting and shouldn’t exist as an entity. But there isn’t another entity out there like them, so the UK has made the financial decision to give them a stipend in exchange for the income they provide.

              • Rekorse@sh.itjust.works
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                2 months ago

                How much money do I need to bring your country before I can be called royalty and collect taxes from each person?

                The only reason it still exists is because the only people who can give away that power is the royal family at the moment.

      • SuperApples@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        12
        ·
        2 months ago

        We dont know how much power they have, it’s illegal to know:

        | Due to secrecy laws, it is extremely hard to find documentary evidence of the queen’s exercise of influence. In the United Kingdom, government documents that “relate to” communications with the sovereign or the next two persons in line to the throne, as well as palace officials acting on their behalf, are subject to an absolute exemption from release under freedom of information or by government archives.

        • “relate to” is so broad and it means we have no idea what is going on.

        | But The Guardian has managed to expose a chink in this armour of secrecy. In the UK’s National Archives, it discovered documents from 1973 showing the queen’s personal solicitor lobbied public servants to change a proposed law so that it would not allow companies, or the public, to learn of the queen’s shareholdings in Britain. The gambit succeeded, and the draft bill was changed to suit the queen’s wishes. Perhaps these documents escaped the secrecy embargo because they involved communications with a private solicitor, rather than palace officials

        https://theconversation.com/the-queens-gambit-new-evidence-shows-how-her-majesty-wields-influence-on-legislation-154818