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Still waiting for Bluesky to start forcing ads in your feed… at some point it is inevitable.
We’re seeing a substantial increase on the Mastodon instance I help moderate too, but there’s no aggregate marketing department at Mastodon so we don’t get any headlines.
I’m using both platforms through Openvibe when I’m on my phone.
Thanks for letting me know about this. Just installed it. Now if they supported multiple mastodon accounts, I’d really be cooking.
Thanks for reminding me of this app. Really wish 'open’vibe would be on Foss stores like fdroid though.
Has 3 trackers too. Google Analytics, firebase, and sentry.
Edit: Downloaded it and it is pretty cool but I wish it had more support for bluesky feeds. It supports the ones I already have but I can’t search for more.
Seems like there should be. I bet people would donate to a marketing fund
You have now taken your first steps to the dark side and becoming a corpo overlord. It is a subtle but slippery slope.
Going from one shitty capitalist business to another shitty capitalist business.
I think this is the crowd that tried Mastodon and then abandoned it when they realized it required a modicum of effort.
wtf kind of lame criticism of mastodon is this…there are constantly cute pictures of pets being posted on mastodon… and like anywhere else with humans these posts are very popular on mastodon.
I would say these posts are MORE popular on mastodon because without an algorithm cute animal photos are going to stick out as popular even more.
This is all nonsense anyways, Bluesky is considered “cooler” by techy types with a childlike awareness of history, politics and power because the tech is cooler when considered in the abstract.
Coincidently none of these technical details have the capacity to make bluesky a truly open and free place otherwise those investors would sue bluesky for purposefully and willfully not pursuing profit for shareholders. This won’t stop certain types from pointing at pictures in the sand and reciting idle words thrown to the wind by the people in charge for now.
Bluesky exists as a legal instrument of profit, all else about bluesky is malleable and changeable and will eventually be bulldozed or undermined in the pursuit of profit for shareholders.
edit 2 this is a real human, and I was grumpy and while it was satisfying to point fingers it just makes me into the asshole so I removed that, but my broader point still stands
Seems the solution is just turning off replies
I doubt this sort of attitude helps, too. Mastodon developers know at least some of its failings. Migrating to Bluesky is not effortless.
That’s probably fair. There’s an abundance of smug assholery in the world right now. Apologies.
Whatever will they do without algorithms recommending their low effort posts to other users?
People get what they deserve.
Honestly I can’t figure out how to find people I’m interested in… or maybe there isn’t much academic/buddhism stuff on there? :/
You just search hashtags or set up a column so you have a feed giving you everything under a given hashtag, though it may be those communities are so niche there isn’t much on the Mastodon instance you chose. I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a specific instance for Buddhism itself, though, given that it’s such a massive world religion.
Thanks for sharing! :)
Just search #buddhism
Not a lot of interest sadly :/ Guess I will try to make the content
I just learned that before their fundraising round Bluesky called themselves a “public benefit LLC” and I thought thats nice of them to benefit the public 😅 , then I found out about US corporate law and what it actually means…
Everything is better than Twitter I guess.
Is this running on a modified version of Mastodon?
And I still to this day don’t get the appeal of the twitter model
Yes, I much prefer following topics over people. Every time I glance at microblogging, there is just so much noise. At least lemmy-style forums have upvotes to surface quality content rather than the jumbled mess that microblogs are. No matter how much I like someone (even IRL friends/family), I won’t be interested in their every passing thought, it’s just exhausting.
Me neither, but I guess once you start following enough people, or the platform has a large enough amount of people posting there, it becomes “interesting” by quantity, if not quality.
I think I tried twitter for a week back in 2018, didn’t “get it”, deleted the account. Tried Mastodon last year, enjoyed the much larger character limit, but didn’t feel like staying.
“The number of characters is limited based on old SMS standard! Lulz!”
Yeah, good way to have meaningful conversations where you can bring convincing arguments! /S
The amount of internet spaces with generous character limits and shit discussions makes me think that’s far from the biggest issue.
It becomes a pretty major issue when it’s one of the main sources of information for people though…
That’s a different thing, and I don’t think bigger character limits would help with a culture of not reading past headlines, not verifying and sharing sources, lacking moderation, and so on. Bigger issues.
It’s good for when you want to keep up with what people or organizations you’re interested in are up to. Artists, authors, game developers, etc.
It sucks for any kind of in-depth content or conversation, including politics.
But that’s just Facebook, why would I have twitter if that is my only motivation?
I feel like Facebook is much worse for that, but I haven’t touched Facebook in many years so I couldn’t tell you why I feel that way.
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No, and it doesnt federate even though they promised that a long time ago. Unless they do, they will inevitably also go to shit, there is no way around the enshittification pipeline. Just stick to mastodon and invest in a long term future.
For a slightly more detailed explanation: https://pluralistic.net/2024/11/02/ulysses-pact/#tie-yourself-to-a-federated-mast
No elon involved so it has an enormous advantage over Twitter
Thats an advantage so thin it is almost invisible. Its a centralized platform, it could be bought by Elon or shutdown for whatever reason at any second. Being this shortsighted about the future of global communications systems is not a great idea when Trump is about to take office.
I honestly don’t understand why people waited so I don’t use mastodon but I did cancel my Twitter account literally the first week he bought it. It wasn’t hard to see this coming and I just don’t get the delay.
I still don’t understand why people even use Twitter or mastodon or blue sky. It all just looks like a Facebook feed to me.
I joined bluesky a year ago to check it out. There wasn’t much happening on it at the time, so I got bored of it real quick. It was like the original version of Twitter. The day after the election, I got on X to see what kind of shit show was going on there, but my account was permanently suspended. I was just on there the day before the election with no problem. I rarely posted anything on it, but I have made some left leaning posts in the past. Like, 2 years in the past. Kinda weird to suspend my account right after the election. Whatever, I was never a big X user. So, I opened bluesky to see if it improved at all, and holy shit, it’s bopping. It’s still like old Twitter. It’s open source, no ads at all, and they make it really convenient to find accounts to follow with “starter packs”. I gotta say, I love it. There are almost no fake accounts or bots. They get weeded out pretty quick. That’s become my new Twitter, and Lemmy is my Reddit.
Are… are you me?
Because that is my exact experience.
Really? You got booted off of X during the election too?
I had an old Twitter account I barely used but I sould still hop on here and there to troll some chuds. After the election that account was booted, yeah.
That’s crazy. Wtf. I thought it was just coincidental at first. I guess he cleaned house of all the non-believers.
So you follow people you don’t know, instead of people you do know? I don’t really understand what your story has to do with my comment, I’m sorry.
You said you didn’t understand why people use Twitter, mastodon, or bluesky. I explained why I, and a bunch of others, use bluesky and why Twitter sucks. Is that ok?
That’s fine. It skips the entire question of why use any of them in the first place though.
🤦♀️omg
“omg” yeah. You said you use it because it’s like old Twitter. That means nothing when I was asking why would you use Twitter.
Probably to avoid “Facebook” people (angry middle aged Republicans and easy to swindle old folks).
FWIW there’s a way to bridge Bluesky accounts to Mastodon
Why don’t people want to use mastodon?
Are they following rasputin again?
Does Mastodon refuse to deal with its issues, like Lemmy?
Anecdotally, I joined Mastodon, found it difficult to find people who I personally know that were on different instances, kind of lost interest and thought kbin might be a better solution for both forums and microblogs all in one place, then my Mastodon instance shut down, and then kbin died too. Hence me being on lemmy.world, as default and stable of a server as there is here.
Bluesky felt fun and familiar right off the bat, my only issue was that it was still so small when I joined. Now that there’s an influx of new users, many of whom I followed on the bird site, it just feels like Twitter 2, which I suspect is what most people want.
FWIW I have a highly technical job and consider myself pretty tech literate, so I don’t think any of the issues I had with Mastodon weren’t things I could’ve figured out or worked around, I just didn’t feel incentivized to bother. I suspect they’ve smoothed out a lot of the federating issues I saw before, but at this point I’m happy enough on Bluesky to stay put.
There’s an add-on to help find the people you followed on Twitter on Bluesky, FYI.
Chrome: https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/sky-follower-bridge/behhbpbpmailcnfbjagknjngnfdojpko?hl=en
Firefox: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-CA/firefox/addon/sky-follower-bridge/
Excellent, thanks!
If there are these roadblack to you as a profficient computer toucher then I think it’s safe to say this is system is already doomed to cultural irrelevance, at best just another one of our private clubhouse nerdtoys, sad !
Hopefully this defeat in the face of bluesky shocks the dev out of their uncompromising complacency and start fighting FOR the users
It’s entirely possible that my timing was just bad for Mastodon and good for Lemmy. The fact that I could jump on Boost and have an extremely familiar experience was a big plus. Bluesky was more similar in terms of migration experience to Lemmy than Mastodon was.
The other issue is that in a forum site you follow topics, where on a microblog site you follow people. The topics are here on Lemmy (to some extent), even if the people aren’t, but I don’t really care about the individual contributors as much. The people I wanted to follow for microblogging went to Bluesky, and that matters a lot more there.
yea in the beginning it can be hard. Just start following people. And get your timeline filling. Try to check out other users posts/comments and follow them as well if you want to. That will you get started.
That was actually part of my issue, and I experienced the same problem on Bluesky at first. The difference for me was ease of discovery and the influx of people I followed on other platforms. If they had gone to Mastodon instead, I’d have been more inclined to give it more effort. As it stands, I’m content with Bluesky and don’t feel I’m missing much on Mastodon. Perhaps I’m mistaken, and that’s my loss. Just trying to add some perspective.
We need those cracked TikTok algos which keep children glued to their screens for 16 hours a day
Some children are even behind the screens for more than 26 ½ hours per day.
Meanwhile, I’m technologically thick as shit and have no trouble using Mastodon at all. If I know someone is on there I’ll find their profile and follow them. Done.
It ain’t that complicated.
It’s important to note that my experience is from a year ago, and I imagine a lot has changed. Part of my issue at the time was that I couldn’t see things like who people I followed were following because they were on a different server, which made discovery challenging. Also very few people who I followed on the bird site went to Mastodon.
I’m not saying the platform can’t work or that the barriers make it unusable, just that the draw wasn’t there to warrant the investment in learning a more complex platform than the alternatives.
I’ve been on there two years now, so 🤷🏽♀️
Because the concept of federation is still impenetrable to a layperson
It’s just not implemented well from a user standpoint imo.
email. email is federated. literally everyone has an email address and understands they might be on a different service, but its all email, and you just use their account name and the service part with the @ in between.
it’s not a complicated subject at all, and a good chunk of the humans on earth have no experience being alive without a federated service being a part of their daily life. (lets not mention telephones, or national postal services)
the issue isn’t perceived complexity, it’s that the negatives of using a centralized service are outweighed by the benefits. people don’t see it as a personal liberty issue, or a free speech issue, or a propaganda issue, or a billionaire oligarchs ability to control the flow of information between citizens issue. they just want it to be easy to use. and the more people that do it, the less personal responsibility they feel about the choice.
learning from history is for suckers, I guess
Heck: phones. Phones are federated. I pay for my phone service through one company, and you pay for your phone service through another, but I can still call you as long as I dial the right number.
The issue isn’t really that federation makes things hard. The issue is that it’s not how people are used to social media, and very specifically social media, working. And people are strange creatures of habit who hate change.
Layperson: But I already HAVE an email!
Not enough people on Mastodon are into the things I was using Twitter/use BlueSky for.
That’s regular critical mass problem. The real question is why the Xitter exodee didn’t make it to mastodon in the first place?
When I investigated, I didn’t get past the account creation stage. Because each server is its own fiefdom and your account will largely be prisoner there, the more you get tangled on it, the more you become subject to its rules. I found that unacceptable.
which mastadon instance to join?
Yes, I never got past that stage. It seems most instances are either nazis, crybullies or flake. I guess first step of joining mastodon is buying a domain name to run a server instance on and then join mastodon as a single user instance. But then I assume most servers also ban single user instance and I just could not be bothered to join was is probably “worse twitter” when I never participated in the twitter mental illness in the first place.
If you can’t decide, then you can just use the flagship instance, mastodon.social.
Bluesky is not as decentralized as you think… Just saying.
Bluesky is not decentralized at all.
That is actually an advantage. Centralized platforms are able to achieve larger audiences, increasing the chance that I will be able to find content I actually care about.
Centralized platforms get top-down control. You’re trading your freedom for convenience.
Stop pining for the algorithms. They’re making you stupider by guaranteeing that you only see the content you want to see, and never the content you need to see.
On Bluesky you can choose which algorithm/s you want to see though and even create your own.
Something something bittorrent.
what?
An example of a non centralized network that has no issues with discoverability.
It just has to be better than the Nazi bar.
That’s a very low bar.
I’ll show myfself out.
Is bluesky not instanced? Cant you just run Bluesky PDS?
An even better alternative is to replace it with nothing. The Twitter-like messaging paradigm is only good for trivia and rumor-mongering.
Some use/used it as an RSS feed for researchers sharing papers.
Know what else is great for that? RSS feeds.
Yeah but no. It’s not an RSS feed per se. It’s researchers sharing what they publish and what other publish with ints or resumes sometimes. Then people would comment and researchers reply.
Man what evet happened to those
Never went away, they’re still used by independent websites. A potential hurdle was that Firefox dropped native support at one point
…and a lot that are not that independent. I never stopped using RSS. It’s only because it’s not so easily monetized that it’s not more widely known, I bet.
I used Twitter for emergency updates, saved me multiple times.
…or following people and interests you want to follow and keeping up with their updates.
ffs stop gatekeeping social media
The facebook/mastadon format is much better for individuals, no? And Reddit/Lemmy for niches, as long as they’re supplemented by a wiki or something.
And Tumblr. The way content gets spread organically, rather than with an algorithm, is actually super nice.
IMO Twitter’s original premise, of letting novel, original, but very short thoughts fly into the ether has been so thoroughly corrupted that it can’t really come back. It’s entertaining and engaging, but an awful format for actually exchanging important information, like discord.
If i ever wan tto know what Natalie Portman ate for breakfast, i’ll walk into the ocean
Everyone knows it was hot grits, and she poured them down your pants.
Just /. things.
What aren’t they joining Mastodon and Lemmy? Or even Threads?
Mastodon or Lemmy, because you would have to choose an instance and a client. Threads, because why would you?
Choice is a good thing, though.
Choice is an irritating speed bump to people who don’t care to choose, which unfortunately is most of them.
It doesn’t need to be, as long as there is also a proper default for those who don’t care. Lemmy and Mastodon both unfortunately lacked this during the periods where they both had the most opportunity to grow.
Nowadays Mastodon does it pretty well. Users don’t need to know anything, they just download Mastodon from the app store and register on the instance it chooses by default.
agree, but for some reason many people don’t seem to think that way
I’ll use Bluesky before I use Threads. I don’t want to get sucked further into the Zuckerborg.
Do not use threads
For me there weren’t enough people on Mastodon in my hobby to make it worthwhile.
I’ve been stupidly trying to convince them to use Mastodon on the same thread on reddit yesterday.
Some prefer the interface, but I guess the real issue is what stopping them from selling it to another Musk like they did with Twitter.
I was on Mastodon, but host or whatever you call it, didn’t like what I said and got banned.
Feel like bluesky wouldn’t have that kind of power and control by one person and be more open and popular.
I think it’s the opposite. On Mastadon you can make a new account on a better server ie mods more aligned with you. On bluesky if you make a new account and say a similar bannable thing again you’ll be banned again.
But people are sensitive, rather not jump server to server because that 😅 something on equal terms like bluesky seems good.
Bluesky is popping off lately it feels even more lively and the block tools are great.
Sigh, here we go again. I jumped on board because it’s where my friends are. Was pleasantly surprised that most of my old twitter follows are already there. Still, given the history I’m being careful and ready for the next enshittification exodus.
I wish folks would just embrace self hosting and decentralization but we obviously love to make the same mistakes again, and again, and again…
Decentralization is a bit like showing people “Here’s how to make friends. I won’t actually introduce you to anyone, though.” I kind of want to at least get a starting point off a general topic.
History repeats itself. Stay on Mastodon
right now I consider my fediverse and self hosted stuff as my ‘real’ profile. bluesky falls into the same category as linkedin, a necessary evil for my ‘professional’ profile.
So no, I won’t be leaving mastodon (or lemmy).
Ok I get it
Why not self-host your Bluesky personal data server?
that is the eventual plan.
I feel you. I really hope things turn out this time around.
Soon Twitter will complete its transition to Nazi Bar of Social Media.
If there’s openly Nazis in your bar and they aren’t being kicked out, you’re in a Nazi bar. They completed that transition a while ago.
Impressive, since “network effects” are what keeps people on a platform. Why move off Xitter or FB when everyone’s on there, and not on the new place? Keep moving a significant fraction of a million people every week, and pretty soon, it’ll be where everyone is.
My partner, who is very non-technical, signed up for a BlueSky as well this week: “all the teacher blogs have declared that they are moving over”. Looks like everyone has had enough.
as a Bluesky / Mastodon user, Mastodon is wayyyy better.
How so?
Federation is one, it really helps but the problems that come with the type of media persist but more controllable
Bluesky does have federation, it’s not at the level of Mastodon’s, but it’s improving. You can host a personal data server, which lets you host your account from your own server. You do still access this account through the main BlueSky website and apps, but authentication is done through your own server.
He said Mastodon is way better, I have an example wjy
I understand. I wasn’t disagreeing that it’s an upside of Mastodon, just clarifying for anyone who doesn’t know.
it has more features then bluesky
Speaking of features, I’m somewhat surprised more people aren’t interested in Misskey and co., especially compared to Mastodon’s overwhelming share of the Fediverse pie.
Oh yeah true, when more people became unhappy about Twitter so they all went to bluesky and mastodon. So it makes sense.
Also, a Bluesky and Mastodon user, although I use Mastodon significantly more. Both have upsides and downsides. Mastodon’s onboarding experience has improved, but it’s still worse than Bluesky’s. Also, the fact that Mastodon doesn’t federate likes is honestly very strange. It makes the platform look dead at first glance, which really hurts first impressions.
I still prefer Mastodon, federation is great and I’ve had an easier time finding people to follow there. Bluesky’s feature of following community made feeds is really cool though.
Oh mastodon doesn’t publicly display likes?
You only see the likes from your instance, they don’t federate to others. This is a purposeful decision made my the Mastodon team, but I don’t agree with their reasoning behind it.
I’ve seen the effect. It’s just like after Brazil cut Twitter off. My very niche account has been gaining new followers by the hour.
I have no idea how people interested in Heathcliff are being found by new people. Much less people interested in Heathcliff without Heathcliff.
I made an account yesterday to see how it is, however, I never used Twitter and so I don’t really understand how BlueSky works (since it suppose to be the same as Twitter?).
I followed 8 people and a couple of “#” but I barely see a thing of the people, I follow.
You can also search for “starter packs” of helpful people to follow in whatever you are interested in, e.g., history, cooking, overthrowing the government, etc.
On Web and official app(android) there are two pages Discover and Following, by default you will be on “Discover” page. To see post from people you followed, you need to switch to the following page.
Same boat my friend. Never ever had a xitter account but I made a Bluesky account last week to check things out. My husband deleted his Twitter account quite a while back and has been sorely missing seeing people he followed. I tried getting him here but he really doesn’t understand the whole set up. So I’m trying to convince him to join Bluesky. I have no idea what I’m doing over there but the folks there are much like we were here in the beginning in that everyone is helping each other learn. I do think that the platform will serve as a good bridge to get people learning about Federated platforms. We all have to start somewhere.
