Summary
In response to Donald Trump’s re-election, some same-sex couples, like Ben Nelson and Adam Weinberger, are accelerating plans to marry, fearing potential rollbacks of LGBTQ rights.
Concerns stem from the Supreme Court’s 2022 overturning of Roe v. Wade and past statements from conservative justices suggesting interest in revisiting the 2015 Obergefell v. Hodges ruling that legalized same-sex marriage.
While the Respect for Marriage Act offers federal safeguards, uncertainty persists.
LGBTQ-friendly businesses are stepping up to support couples, but fears of broader restrictions, including on parenting options, remain widespread among the community.
I wonder what the chances are that the coming administration invalidate such marriages, probably on some dumb Christian nationalist grounds
Supreme Court has already signaled that gay marriage is on the chopping block.
Weren’t they against sharia law?
Only if you call it that.
Conservatives everywhere hoping for some religious issue to enter into legal dispute based on a woman named Sharia so they redefine that term just like they do with every word that describes their shit-baggery.
Anything is possible, but it would be far more difficult to invalidate existing marriages than prevent new ones. Which is exactly why couples are rushing to get it done now.
They are openly stating they will deport legal citizens… so, acting like their should be no concern might not be a great idea.
It’s already happening in Italy, so there’s no reason to believe the GOP would hold back.
Italy has never recognized same-sex marriage.
Sorry, Captain Pedantic — they have same-sex unions (and recently banned travel for surrogacy specifically for gay couples)
It’s not pedantic when it’s two different things.
What legal differences are there between unions and marriages in Italy?
Eligibility:
• Marriage: Only for opposite-sex couples.
• Civil Unions: Only for same-sex couples.
Adoption Rights:
• Marriage: Opposite-sex couples can jointly adopt.
• Civil Unions: No joint adoption rights; stepchild adoption is possible but not explicitly protected by law.
Parental Recognition:
• Marriage: Both parents are recognized automatically.
• Civil Unions: Challenges in recognition, particularly for children born via surrogacy or assisted reproduction.
Surrogacy:
• Marriage: Not explicitly addressed for opposite-sex couples but may be permissible under specific conditions.
• Civil Unions: Surrogacy is explicitly prohibited for same-sex couples, and pursuing it abroad can lead to legal consequences in Italy.
Thank you, the recent surrogacy ban is taking a right away from unions, correct?
Which implies that before said ban, unions and marriages were one step closer to the same right.
You listed only differences. What are the similarities? Are taxation and inheritance significantly different? Are property and financial benefits different?
It sounds like the pedantic difference is that union is marriage for same sex couples, and that now they’ve stripped rights from same sex couples. (Which they could do either goddamn way, since these fascists can just redefine same-sex marriage at any time anyway).
No one should bet against it.
the Democrats defended Roe v. Wade so hard it fell so it is scary what four years of Republican rule will bring
We don’t get much from the democrats. But at least we do get something. I’d really hate to be one of those people that spent the whole last year as “useful idiots” for foreign Nations and oligarchs. Screaming about how Democrats are just the same as Republicans and just genocidal murders.
I assume most didn’t want things to get worse. Didn’t want trump. This has to be like ashes on their tongue. I hope that they and the people they misinformed/demotivated. Will be ready to show solidarity if we’re ever given another chance at elections. And do what it takes to keep Republicans and their allies far away from any elected office for the rest of their lives.
I hope that they and the people they misinformed/demotivated. Will be ready to show solidarity if we’re ever given another chance at elections.
Yes I hope all those center-right neolibs running the party realize the failure of their ways and join in solidarity with those of us on the left. I have my doubts though.
Well until such time as an actual left-wing party a cruise any sort of actual power we’re going to need them. And the best way to make them better with us. Feeling in local State offices which Republicans often run for unopposed with actual leftist candidates. Who will largely caucus with the Democratic Party. Building our influence inside it and dragging them left. Not engaging doesn’t persuade them anymore.
tasted like ashes since the one and only time was allowed to cast a vote and Obama got it
both parties have utterly failed the US and it is past time to face the reality that both parties are bought and paid for
I knew you would not be one of the ones that learned. Enjoy the Trump administration. You worked hard for it. 😀
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Real talk though folks. I’m chuckling a bit at the pyrrhic silent down votes. I bet I could name every one. But don’t be like the magats. Don’t give into the sunk cost fallacy and commit to destroying things like verdy and the others. There’s no value in unrealized ideological purity.
This will be a harsh setback. And a lot of our friends and family are going to suffer. But they’re counting on everyone getting their shit together. Learning the lessons that need to be learned. Standing in solidarity against the oligarchs. Better still, liberating the minds of those they manipulate to stand with us.
Whether you want an actual left wing party to electe. Or the relegation of neoliberal and liberal economic policy to the dustbins of history. That starts with relegating Republicans to the history books like the Whigs. Running and supporting actual leftist candidates locally. Especially in red States. And working to make democrats better at the national level where it makes sense. If Republicans disappeared tomorrow the current Democratic Party would crumble in an instant. Splitting into two at minimum. Wouldn’t that be a beautiful sight to see. But we’re not going to get there by destroying things. Only by building.
Enjoy the Trump administration. You worked hard for it. 😀
Interesting how you blame people on the left for not supporting either one of these right-wing candidates and then get all giddy throwing Trump’s victory in their face. Your comment is indistinguishable from some MAGA supporter posting on Facebook.
Okay so let’s start with this. Just because someone is nominally on the left. That does not mean that they are good. Authoritarians like leninists are nominally on the left. I don’t trust them anymore than I do fascists. Which is to say not at all.
Second there is plenty of blame to go around. The Democrats definitely own some of it. But let’s not be naive and say that all these people going around spreading a lot of the misinformation and hyperbole didn’t have an impact. They absolutely did.
Finally I was putting it in one particular person’s face. A known unrepentant quantity. If you go on to read what I posted later. I spoke about other people who got used learning the lesson and coming back to stand in solidarity with the rest of us to actually make things better next time.
Also if you know anything about the American electoral system. When it comes to National elections like the presidency. The winner always comes from one of the two major parties. Are they both right wing? Absolutely. Would I rather be having to deal with the less abjectly horrible right wing personality instead of the most abjectly horrible one? You betcha. Is your ideological Purity going to keep any of these trans people or gay couples from being targeted and attacked by this administration? Would this have been a similar issue under the other Administration? If you’re honest the answers are clear. And yes as a leftist, and Anarchist even. I can say that I would have rather had the Democrat, and the people fighting against the Democrat 100% helped the Republican win. That’s not even a controversial statement.
Perfect is the enemy of good
Or you’re just a right wing shill… probably that
This statement is such a cop out used to justify literally anything.
I’m a right-wing shill and not the person telling people to “enjoy the Trump administration?” I guess having standards and wanting to hold politicians accountable for their actions, politicians who are supposed to be above all this right-wing villainy, especially when those actions lead them to losing control of every branch of the government, is no longer en vogue in the Democratic party. Everything they do is “good” by virtue, and criticism is not tolerated, just like we’re a bunch of MAGA sycophants.
Seems like you guys would rather have the Republicans win elections than ever consider embracing the left that’s supposed to be the backbone of the party.
The Republican Party is turning into the Taliban of the United States. On the other hand, Americans knew that and knew what Trump is all about when they voted, and they walked right into this with eyes wide open, serving both Houses of Congress and the Presidency to that party. We deserve everything that’s coming to us.
They aren’t turning into; they have always been. They have finally consolidated power. I don’t even live in the US and I am dreading the worldwide ramifications of your election. Where can I go to escape? The moon? Apparently not even that.
there is US citizens not allowed to vote, and we did not choose this nor deserve it fuck that
Unfortunately, it doesn’t seem like Americans are going to learn until it really, really hurts. I hope we get all the pain that comes from this straight on. No relief until we start voting differently.
And at the same time Democrats are driving people right into their arms by refusing to address certain issues, and demonizing everyone, who isn’t on board with 100% of their agenda, as a racist, bigot, etc.
Trump was great for the economy, people rushed to get married, buy hard drives, canned food, rice, life insurance policies, plan funerals, finish that bucket list…
Gay marriages seem a bit purer to me because you know it’s not about kids. They legit like each other.
Just because same sex couples don’t birth kids doesn’t mean we’ll stop trying.
Anything is possible through Jesus.
I see that more likely with 2 females than 2 males. Unless Arnold Schwarzenegger JR becomes a thing.
Lol yeah figured it was joke but I have heard of female only reproduction in the potential future. Which would be very interesting long term.
I’m heterosexual and we were marred for 10 years before we had a kid. My brother has been married to a woman almost 30 years and has never had kids. My uncle has been married to a woman almost 50 years and has never had kids. I have lots of friends who are heterosexual and married and have no kids.
And there are two queer couples I’m friends with that do have kids.
On top of that, I know people with kids who never got married.
Marriage and children are really not related except when it comes to certain legal issues.
I was thinking more being socially forced to marriage thanks to issues revolving around biological kids which to me “ruins the sanctity” of marriage. Meanwhile gay people don’t have that issue. Like oh no someone got my pregnant if I don’t get marriage my family stone me but my partner is a one night stand that I found out is a serial killer.
Sure, that happens, but I would suggest that’s the minority of marriages these days. Not being married and having kids is just not the social stigma it used to be. The main reason, like I said, is legal stuff like custody and that really needs to be fixed.
I’m a bit worried it’s going back to the good Ole days. So I want to say my peace right now that the only thing “ruining marriage” is people not doing it because they love each other not them being “the gay”.
Side note: my cousin had a rush marriage cause she was pressured by grandma due to pregnancy. It did not last a year. Waste of time and money with added bonus of complicating 3 lives thanks to being pro forced birth.
I know multiple same-sex couples that got married explicitly for the purpose of being allowed to adopt.
Well least it’s not like biological clock is ticking so get pregnant now or else leading to bad choices.
Well, some gay couples do have kids. Some men have ovaries and some women have testicles.
I’m still shocked by the number of gay, black, latino and women votes Trump got this election. I wish they would realize that racism, sexism and homophobia are what drives Trump’s most loyal and core supporters.
like anyone else gay, black, latino and women voters are themselves capable of racism, sexism and homophobia
They will sadly
Isn’t going to help when the Republicans and the Republican Supreme Court goes after Obergefell v. Hodges.
Marriage is a vow, not an oath.
I understand why the headline is what it is but my inner grammar enthusiast can’t just let it slide.
What’s the difference? I tried looking and there are various minor differences but none that would make one more applicable to marriage than the other. The argument would come down to the personal position of the person getting married. Not really something you can dictate the terminology over.
I understand the confusion, a lot of terms have been conflated so frequently that the definitions of the terms themselves have been adapted to the usage rather than people getting educated on the correct use of terminology.
A good, and common example of this that was highlighted by the Simpsons, of all things, is the difference between jealousy and envy.
Jealousy is the feeling of fear of loss of a thing, and envy is the feeling of wanting what someone else has. If you look at the definition of jealousy now, it shows that jealousy basically has both definitions because the use of the word has changed because most of the population doesn’t care, and uses jealousy when they mean envy.
I’d have to dive into the etymology of the terms for evidence but on the surface and from my own knowledge, an oath is a commitment to an office, like the court, King, country, etc. A vow is a promise to an individual.
Legal proceedings have always cared about the textbook definitions of things, which is why we see oaths taken in court, when taking a position in government or the military, etc. And vows for things like marriage. I would always fall back on legal definitions for the first hint at what the etymology of the term is, and an indication of it’s correct usage, rather than the adapted usage by the public which often gets written into dictionaries.
My inner grammar enthusiast likes to use the correct terms for things like vow vs oath and jealous vs envious. It tickles my brain in a way that I like. At the same time, I try not to be so rigorous about it that I hold others to my standards. It’s more important that I understand what you mean, rather than enforcing that you use the right words when you say it.
I feel like this is a good way to get yourself on a target list.
They’re likely on a list already if that’s the case, but it is standing for what they believe in
Should’ve been codified back in 2015. The fuck, Obama.
Show me how much you don’t know about presidential power, or history.
Yep, that’s on the congress. Which Democrats did not have sufficient control of. Which Republicans/DINOs would have struck down hard if they even tried. But simple minds do love simple solutions for complex problems. Regardless of whether they work or not.
I do, but why explain to an asshole who decided to be an asshole just out of the blue for a simple comment? Bye.
You’re upset someone called you out on your shit because you want to say whatever you want without consequences? Okay MAGA.
I thought OP was making a sarcastic comment, not literally blaming Obama. It used to be a meme to blame Obama for every little insignificant thing that wasn’t his fault. I might have read it wrong though. e.g. r/thanksobama
Well, if that’s the case, it illustrates the importance of the /s or the use of the meme, because that joke is now dead and it sounds like they’re blaming Obama.
