So if someone said they intentionally murdered all of a tribe, you wouldn’t consider it genocide?
Sand people is more of a word like Native Americans.
So it would be like if he went and intentionally murdered all of the Cherokee because the actions of one/some Cherokee.
Sure he didn’t hunt down the Seminoles afterwards, but the Cherokee have their own culture and beliefs.
As for the Jedi… His orders were to kill everyone of a certain religion. He stated with the younglings and then spent over a decade hunting down anyone who escaped.
It would certainly be an atrocity, if that’s what you’re getting at. There is no less value to Palestinian or Native American lives than to European ones. Genocide, however, is the systematic persecution with the intent to eliminate a certain ethnic group.
The difficulty in your example arises with defining that “genus” in the modern sense of genocide, since “Parisian” is a very diverse mix of people. What makes them “Parisian”?
If their common association is, say, having their primary residence in Paris, or having been in Paris during a certain point or stretch in time, I suppose we could coin the term “urbicide”, but I don’t know if there’s a historical precedent for the systematic persecution of a specific city by whatever definition.
There is the historic phenomenon of soldiers wantonly slaughtering a chunk of the populace of a captured city, but if you wanted to actually use the administrative and productive value of that city you’d want to keep the killing in check. On the other hand, raiding other tribes or villages and killing inhabitants with the purpose of driving them away from your lands also involved the murder of civilians, but the intent was foremost to secure resources and prosperous land for your own people.
Failing any other classification, it would still be a massacre. We don’t need to slap particularly loaded labels onto everything bad to make it bad. Doing so dilutes the meaning of those terms, watering down both their political weight and their usefulness in classifying events.
the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group
Cultural group means killing any village unless it has an identical twin with the same language, history, principles, beliefs, music, etc, means it will be genocide.
I don’t recall ani going there to wipe them out, only to get his mother. then the killings happened when she died in his arms. so how is this “… systemically…”
The system was a mix of his lightsaber and the force, moving 1 to the next…? Whether it was passion, right or wrong it doesn’t matter to the definition of the term.
A riot is a riot whether or not the riot was for a good reason. Terms be like that usually.
Well thats a very liberal application of genocide. The Sand people incident might be spun as a racial killing, but genocide? That’s way too much.
Yeah. What he did to the Sand People was a hate crime.
Yeah he hated they made him do it. /s
he only hated that he ran out of sand people
“Just” terrorism.
I’m going to see this comment in my history in a year and be like “…huh?”
So if someone said they intentionally murdered all of a tribe, you wouldn’t consider it genocide?
Sand people is more of a word like Native Americans.
So it would be like if he went and intentionally murdered all of the Cherokee because the actions of one/some Cherokee.
Sure he didn’t hunt down the Seminoles afterwards, but the Cherokee have their own culture and beliefs.
As for the Jedi… His orders were to kill everyone of a certain religion. He stated with the younglings and then spent over a decade hunting down anyone who escaped.
Bibi moment
Anakin murdered one village, he didn’t prosecute a war of extinction against an entire people.
So if someone goes and murders ever Parisian it is not a genocide of Parisians? Or are some people lesser and their cultures dont matter as much?
It would certainly be an atrocity, if that’s what you’re getting at. There is no less value to Palestinian or Native American lives than to European ones. Genocide, however, is the systematic persecution with the intent to eliminate a certain ethnic group.
The difficulty in your example arises with defining that “genus” in the modern sense of genocide, since “Parisian” is a very diverse mix of people. What makes them “Parisian”?
If their common association is, say, having their primary residence in Paris, or having been in Paris during a certain point or stretch in time, I suppose we could coin the term “urbicide”, but I don’t know if there’s a historical precedent for the systematic persecution of a specific city by whatever definition.
There is the historic phenomenon of soldiers wantonly slaughtering a chunk of the populace of a captured city, but if you wanted to actually use the administrative and productive value of that city you’d want to keep the killing in check. On the other hand, raiding other tribes or villages and killing inhabitants with the purpose of driving them away from your lands also involved the murder of civilians, but the intent was foremost to secure resources and prosperous land for your own people.
Failing any other classification, it would still be a massacre. We don’t need to slap particularly loaded labels onto everything bad to make it bad. Doing so dilutes the meaning of those terms, watering down both their political weight and their usefulness in classifying events.
Genocide:
the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group
Cultural group means killing any village unless it has an identical twin with the same language, history, principles, beliefs, music, etc, means it will be genocide.
I don’t recall ani going there to wipe them out, only to get his mother. then the killings happened when she died in his arms. so how is this “… systemically…”
The system was a mix of his lightsaber and the force, moving 1 to the next…? Whether it was passion, right or wrong it doesn’t matter to the definition of the term.
A riot is a riot whether or not the riot was for a good reason. Terms be like that usually.
LOL the system?
yes it does matter maybe read the definition of genocide again