• Echo Dot@feddit.uk
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    6 months ago

    As far as I can tell battery research seems to consist of mixing every single element with lithium, and seeing if it makes a battery.

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      6 months ago

      Followed by advertising it and never releasing the new tech.

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      6 months ago

      That’s because lithium is in the most electropositive group of elements and sodium/potassium are too reactive for current technology. Theoretically I think Na and K based batteries should perform better as they’re even more electropositive than Li.

      (Forgive the spelling error in the picture but it was the simplest one I could find quickly)

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        Na and K based batteries should perform better

        What I’m hearing is throw some salt on a banana and power my phone for days.

        I wasn’t very good at chemistry.

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          It’s the difference in electronegativity that makes the battery. That’s why you see lithium and oxygen a lot; lithium doesn’t want electrons, oxygen does want them. Sodium and potassium are very close in electronegativity so the salty banana battery wouldn’t be good.

          I’m waiting for the cesium / fluorine battery, should theoretically be awesome. Or extremely explosive

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            6 months ago

            That’s a much more serious and informative answer than I deserved.

            Thank you for the explanation.

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              Gotta put my chemistry education to good use somehow, certainly not using it in the IT career I ended up getting in.

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            -I’m waiting for the cesium / fluorine battery, should theoretically be awesome. Or extremely explosive

            I wonder how much it would cost to personally attempt this experiment… (starts hunting for renters insurance)

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        6 months ago

        The other thing for lithium is that its light, VERY light, which of course is ideal for hand sets. Manufacturers love the light and slim designs even though consumers would prefer to have a handset that can go 7 days without a charge

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      6 months ago

      You aren’t so far away from the truth!

      To make a battery you need to have something that holds negative electrical charge and something with a positive electrical charge and both need to be able to change to a different state when you use it or reverse that change when you charge it.

      Lithium is the lightest and smallest metal, meaning for the same size and electrical charge, your battery will weigh less.

      Then you just need to find ways to make two kind of lithium compounds which have different electrical charge and can be changed between two states.

      And if it doesn’t explode when a child throws their battery powered bear on the ground, that would also be a good characteristic.

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      6 months ago

      Change lithium with Group IV elements and that’s also how semiconductors are made: playing around with different impurities.