Manchin and Sinema consistently voted against party lines and were known for being republicans running as democrats. They consistently blocked the DNC. This is a bad faith argument.
Doesn’t matter, they set the boundaries for the party and they weren’t cast out or reprimanded effectively, ergo they led the Democratic party and the Biden administration.
The DNC operates in bad faith on a constant basis, or have you forgotten Hillary’s superdelegates, or all the moderates coalescing around biden when bernie was winning the second time, its par for the course.
The DNC only wins championing progressive policies and then turns around and fellates the most centrist most milquetoast moderates, its steeped in bad faith.
Doesn’t matter, they set the boundaries for the party and they weren’t cast out or reprimanded effectively, ergo they led the Democratic party and the Biden administration.
Democrats needed them to cooperate to get anything passed. If pressed too hard they would’ve switch republican and democrats would’ve gotten so little legislation passed that they would’ve been identical to the leftists that have never accomplished anything.
This is a foreign concept to leftists because leftists don’t get elected let alone get legislation passed. Or understand the importance of voting as you’re proving.
Working together to get a trusted candidate elected is also a foreign concept. That is why every progressive that gets elected ends up being a republican (Fetterman, Sinema, etc.).
Yet we still have leftists complaining that the DNC won’t have open primaries. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me more than once, I must be a leftists.
The DNC wins by trying to cater to as many voters as possible because that’s the job of a politician.
Leftists consistently lose by refusing to work with anyone outside of their ideology which is just a small fraction of the voters.
Yes, their strategy of crowbarring in the candidate their funders want via superdelegate or just unilateral appointment has really appealed to the majority of voters
If there is any truth to that statement it is solely because of voter disenfranchisement through antivoter gerry-mandering, electoral college bullshit.
So if your saying you have to vote for us its rigged in our favor then you are correct.
But heres the thing, we can just take our ball and fuck all of yall over too, as much as you hate it you can’t win without us.
Ok so just for a moment let’s pretend you are now democratic God/king/
emperor.
You get to build the new party of the left. What policies are you going to run on to garner support from the majority of Americans? I am genuinely curious what you imagine this ideal left wing party to look like.
Raise the minimum wage, implement a single-payer universal healthcare system.
When Sanders was on stage at Fox News being grilled by their anchors for being “too radical”, Sanders turned to the audience and asked them if these policies were really so radical.
The Fox News audience chanted “No!” (to the surprise of the Fox anchors).
Slashing healthcare costs and putting more money in people’s pockets are winning strategies, especially if you can call out Republicans on their bullshit messaging.
So the only two things your new left wing party is going to run on is higher minimum wage (no specific amounts or percentage of local cost of living or anything specific?) and single-payer universal healthcare.
Yeah I don’t think you would get the majority of votes by making a party based around only those two things.
I’m not expecting a 10 page book of exactly everything you would implement and exactly how you would do it, but only answering like 10% of a question seems odd.
That would be like me asking you to list all your ideal ingredients for a sandwich and you only said “bread” then decided you didn’t feel like thinking of the rest so you just hit send and walk away.
Progressives won in states where Harris lost, so objectively, yes. We don’t need Republicans and Diet Republicans. We need two noticeably different parties.
The voters that elected Trump hate progressives. Those are the the libs they want to “own.” The only way becoming more progressive would help is if millions of people that didn’t vote in the 2024 election vote for the progressive candidate.
Considering there were about 90 million (archived) who didn’t vote in 2024, that seems totally possible. Harris only lost by about 2-3 million, so we’re talking 5% of this group needing to be the sort of “both parties are too right wing, there’s no point in voting” types who could be brought into our fold.
Reports are now showing over 4 million valid votes were rejected and purged by various voter suppression tactics taken between 2020 and 2024. Seems there might turn out to actually be something to the stolen election theory
Most people who voted for Trump didn’t do it for the reason your implying. A very loud minority did it to “own the libs.” Most people voted for Trump because they didn’t like the current state of things, like the economy. You have a very flawed understanding of the political landscape if you think the majority of voters did anything “to own the libs.”
The Democrats are over. If we ever even get the chance to vote again, a new progressive, actually left party must rise in its place
Interesting you think they need to be more left?
Democrats aren’t left at all, they are effectively center-right.
look at sinema and manchin, they led the biden administration.
Its a big tent, and its drafty in here.
Manchin and Sinema consistently voted against party lines and were known for being republicans running as democrats. They consistently blocked the DNC. This is a bad faith argument.
Doesn’t matter, they set the boundaries for the party and they weren’t cast out or reprimanded effectively, ergo they led the Democratic party and the Biden administration.
The DNC operates in bad faith on a constant basis, or have you forgotten Hillary’s superdelegates, or all the moderates coalescing around biden when bernie was winning the second time, its par for the course.
The DNC only wins championing progressive policies and then turns around and fellates the most centrist most milquetoast moderates, its steeped in bad faith.
Democrats needed them to cooperate to get anything passed. If pressed too hard they would’ve switch republican and democrats would’ve gotten so little legislation passed that they would’ve been identical to the leftists that have never accomplished anything.
This is a foreign concept to leftists because leftists don’t get elected let alone get legislation passed. Or understand the importance of voting as you’re proving.
Working together to get a trusted candidate elected is also a foreign concept. That is why every progressive that gets elected ends up being a republican (Fetterman, Sinema, etc.).
Yet we still have leftists complaining that the DNC won’t have open primaries. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me more than once, I must be a leftists.
The DNC wins by trying to cater to as many voters as possible because that’s the job of a politician.
Leftists consistently lose by refusing to work with anyone outside of their ideology which is just a small fraction of the voters.
Yes, their strategy of crowbarring in the candidate their funders want via superdelegate or just unilateral appointment has really appealed to the majority of voters
Appealed to more voters than leftist are able muster.
If there is any truth to that statement it is solely because of voter disenfranchisement through antivoter gerry-mandering, electoral college bullshit.
So if your saying you have to vote for us its rigged in our favor then you are correct.
But heres the thing, we can just take our ball and fuck all of yall over too, as much as you hate it you can’t win without us.
Damn you’re right that’s must be why Harris won so hard by campaigning with liz cheney 🤮.
Keep losing, nobody wants what you’re selling.
Move left or be left behind.
Trump lost by more than Harris in 2020 then came back and won. If he followed your advice he wouldn’t have won in 2024.
Leave it to leftists (a group that never wins elections) to quit too soon.
I voted Democrat in every single election since I turned 18, im 34 now, the democrats are not going to get us where we need to go.
Democrats don’t fight hard enough, and they reach across the aisle to pivot right at every opportunity.
They would rather court never trumpers like liz cheney 🤮 than make concessions to their own base
Democrats don’t want to win, they want to capture progressive momentum and suffocate it.
Your party is not entitled to our votes when you fail to deliver.
Merrick Garland ass motherfuckers telling me the left cant win.
Hey, if you want I can let you borrow my goalpost mover. It’s handy for whipping up those No True Scotsmans in a jiffy.
No goalpost was moved. You should learn the meaning of terms before you try to use them.
Ok so just for a moment let’s pretend you are now democratic God/king/ emperor.
You get to build the new party of the left. What policies are you going to run on to garner support from the majority of Americans? I am genuinely curious what you imagine this ideal left wing party to look like.
Raise the minimum wage, implement a single-payer universal healthcare system.
When Sanders was on stage at Fox News being grilled by their anchors for being “too radical”, Sanders turned to the audience and asked them if these policies were really so radical.
The Fox News audience chanted “No!” (to the surprise of the Fox anchors).
Slashing healthcare costs and putting more money in people’s pockets are winning strategies, especially if you can call out Republicans on their bullshit messaging.
So the only two things your new left wing party is going to run on is higher minimum wage (no specific amounts or percentage of local cost of living or anything specific?) and single-payer universal healthcare.
Yeah I don’t think you would get the majority of votes by making a party based around only those two things.
Yes let me just write an entire election manifesto whilst I’m taking my morning dump.
These are just examples of policies that actually do something for the majority of Americans, and that seem to be popular across the board.
I’m not expecting a 10 page book of exactly everything you would implement and exactly how you would do it, but only answering like 10% of a question seems odd.
That would be like me asking you to list all your ideal ingredients for a sandwich and you only said “bread” then decided you didn’t feel like thinking of the rest so you just hit send and walk away.
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Progressives won in states where Harris lost, so objectively, yes. We don’t need Republicans and Diet Republicans. We need two noticeably different parties.
The voters that elected Trump hate progressives. Those are the the libs they want to “own.” The only way becoming more progressive would help is if millions of people that didn’t vote in the 2024 election vote for the progressive candidate.
Considering there were about 90 million (archived) who didn’t vote in 2024, that seems totally possible. Harris only lost by about 2-3 million, so we’re talking 5% of this group needing to be the sort of “both parties are too right wing, there’s no point in voting” types who could be brought into our fold.
Reports are now showing over 4 million valid votes were rejected and purged by various voter suppression tactics taken between 2020 and 2024. Seems there might turn out to actually be something to the stolen election theory
Most people who voted for Trump didn’t do it for the reason your implying. A very loud minority did it to “own the libs.” Most people voted for Trump because they didn’t like the current state of things, like the economy. You have a very flawed understanding of the political landscape if you think the majority of voters did anything “to own the libs.”
Yes, they’ve been moving right and trying to stay in the center for 30 years.
They’ve won the majority of the elections in the last 30 years. So must be a winning strategy.
Well, they at least need to be left of nazis. Can we agree on that? We just want the democrats to work on that for now. You know, baby steps.
Yes… I think we should strive to be left of the Nazis lol.
What do you think “left” means?
They need to not be so locked in to the branding of existing Dems.