From the article (thanks @ditty@lemm.ee) it’s completely clear that:
a. This is just a temporary holding camp until the illegal migrants can be repatriated back to their original countries
b. This isn’t even a US camp - it’s a Panamanian camp - so if you want to be mad about the unconfirmed conditions of the camp, you should be mad at Panama
c. This is in no way a concentration camp, and divisive, intentionally inflammatory one-liners like this from talking heads on Twitter-likes continue to be the bane of public discourse.
I’m pretty sure it’s also lined with inflammatory rhetoric, so I think I’ll just keep reading original sources and waiting for facts that are supported by evidence.
If the past 8 years aren’t enough for you to see where things are headed, I’m guessing you are in the “it’s not happening until it affects me personally” camp.
Not quite sure what the past 8 years have to do with the Panamanian government, but I am certainly in the “I’m not going to assume that Panama of all places is running a concentration camp until I see some actual evidence of it” camp, especially when they probably don’t want these migrants anyway, and don’t seem to have a reason to vindictively mistreat them like the US does.
a. Temporarily concentrating a group of people together in a camp is still a concentration camp.
b. Then why are the US getting involved and sending their own undesirables there? At best, this is a bad thing Panama are doing, and the US said “hey cool we wanna remove people from society too but don’t want to build our own concentration camps because that’d look bad, can we send them to yours pls?”
a. Sure, if we’re disingenuously ignoring the meanings and implications of words today for some reason.
b. For the first part of this question, here’s a response I made elsewhere that addresses it:
"The article doesn’t address that, so I’d be speculating, but if I had to guess, I’d say either:
US authorities determined that Panama had some sort of culpability for the migrants entering the US - maybe they were lax in their policing of the Darien Gap, for example
or, also quite likely given how much of a petty dick Trump is:
Trump forced Panama specifically to take them as a show of power related to his threat to steal the Panama Canal."
For the second part of your b. point, I don’t see a reason that this is a bad thing for Panama to do, even if it sucks that they’re the ones having to do it. This isn’t a concentration camp - it’s a temporary camp until the migrants can be repatriated.
How is this not a concentration camp? Idk what your definition of a concentration camp is but rounding people up in a camp with poor conditions sounds like a concentration camp to me.
The US allows legal asylum. Whether the US is correctly following their own laws with regard to legal asylum is a completely separate issue from whether or not this Panamanian site is a concentration camp, as the talking head is asserting in an incredibly emotionally manipulative manner.
As I’ve mentioned elsewhere in this thread, people here seem really intent on conflating their own thoughts on immigration in general with the actual situation being described in the article.
I’ve always kinda sucked at dodgeball. Good at throwing, good at catching, reeeally bad at dodging.
It’s not a separate issue at all, these people would not be in Panama at all if the US had followed its own laws, and these camps would not exist.
The US is calling the shots, you admitted they might not be following the law, and yet you expect the US to follow the rules they create and break? That’s a very niave outlook on global politics.
Whether the US is following its laws or not has literally nothing to do with whether this Panamanian location is a concentration camp, which is the talking head’s claim and the entire point of this comment chain.
The US is calling the shots, you admitted they might not be following the law, and yet you expect the US to follow the rules they create and break? That’s a very niave outlook on global politics.
It would be, if, once again, the specific day-to-day operation of these camps had anything whatsoever to do with the US, which it doesn’t seem to.
Please read carefully this time:
This is not a US camp. This location is constructed and operated entirely by the sovereign government of Panama, and we have no evidence that the Panamanian government is doing anything that could be construed as being a concentration camp. If anything, Panama is likely being forced by the US to detain these people against their will, giving them even less incentive to mistreat them, especially since these camps are now international news.
From the article (thanks @ditty@lemm.ee) it’s completely clear that:
a. This is just a temporary holding camp until the illegal migrants can be repatriated back to their original countries
b. This isn’t even a US camp - it’s a Panamanian camp - so if you want to be mad about the unconfirmed conditions of the camp, you should be mad at Panama
c. This is in no way a concentration camp, and divisive, intentionally inflammatory one-liners like this from talking heads on Twitter-likes continue to be the bane of public discourse.
I’m pretty sure it’s also lined with inflammatory rhetoric, so I think I’ll just keep reading original sources and waiting for facts that are supported by evidence.
If the past 8 years aren’t enough for you to see where things are headed, I’m guessing you are in the “it’s not happening until it affects me personally” camp.
Not quite sure what the past 8 years have to do with the Panamanian government, but I am certainly in the “I’m not going to assume that Panama of all places is running a concentration camp until I see some actual evidence of it” camp, especially when they probably don’t want these migrants anyway, and don’t seem to have a reason to vindictively mistreat them like the US does.
a. Temporarily concentrating a group of people together in a camp is still a concentration camp.
b. Then why are the US getting involved and sending their own undesirables there? At best, this is a bad thing Panama are doing, and the US said “hey cool we wanna remove people from society too but don’t want to build our own concentration camps because that’d look bad, can we send them to yours pls?”
a. Sure, if we’re disingenuously ignoring the meanings and implications of words today for some reason.
b. For the first part of this question, here’s a response I made elsewhere that addresses it:
"The article doesn’t address that, so I’d be speculating, but if I had to guess, I’d say either:
or, also quite likely given how much of a petty dick Trump is:
For the second part of your b. point, I don’t see a reason that this is a bad thing for Panama to do, even if it sucks that they’re the ones having to do it. This isn’t a concentration camp - it’s a temporary camp until the migrants can be repatriated.
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No u lmao gotteeeeeem
Outsourcing the concentration camps doesn’t make it any better.
Source that the Panamanian location is a concentration camp? Random Twit-heads don’t count.
How is this not a concentration camp? Idk what your definition of a concentration camp is but rounding people up in a camp with poor conditions sounds like a concentration camp to me.
Wow you dodge the entire issue of the US Constitution and legal Asylum so well. I’d like to see you in a Dodgeball game.
The US allows legal asylum. Whether the US is correctly following their own laws with regard to legal asylum is a completely separate issue from whether or not this Panamanian site is a concentration camp, as the talking head is asserting in an incredibly emotionally manipulative manner.
As I’ve mentioned elsewhere in this thread, people here seem really intent on conflating their own thoughts on immigration in general with the actual situation being described in the article.
I’ve always kinda sucked at dodgeball. Good at throwing, good at catching, reeeally bad at dodging.
It’s not a separate issue at all, these people would not be in Panama at all if the US had followed its own laws, and these camps would not exist.
The US is calling the shots, you admitted they might not be following the law, and yet you expect the US to follow the rules they create and break? That’s a very niave outlook on global politics.
Whether the US is following its laws or not has literally nothing to do with whether this Panamanian location is a concentration camp, which is the talking head’s claim and the entire point of this comment chain.
It would be, if, once again, the specific day-to-day operation of these camps had anything whatsoever to do with the US, which it doesn’t seem to.
Please read carefully this time:
This is not a US camp. This location is constructed and operated entirely by the sovereign government of Panama, and we have no evidence that the Panamanian government is doing anything that could be construed as being a concentration camp. If anything, Panama is likely being forced by the US to detain these people against their will, giving them even less incentive to mistreat them, especially since these camps are now international news.
I doubt it’s as nice as a zoo though