Inspired by the recent c/AskLemmy question about Myanmar.
As a PRC-born ethnic Han-Chinese person who currently is a US Citizen and reside in the US, I’m curious on what people think of my former country.
Uyghur people in concentration camps while tourists invade their homes
There are vanishingly few tourists in Xinjiang. Indeed they won’t even give you a visa if you say you’re going there.
Massive cities with LED buildings, beautiful mountains with paved hiking trails all the way to the top and gondolas to get down, Long queues that are still orderly and move quickly, families eating large meals outside, friendly and very curious people.
I’ve spent a lot of time there. Compared to the west the cost of living is super cheap especially for all the options and amenities you get. Even in the hippest part of Chongqing I could rent an apartment 2x the size of my house for half the mortgage. If the US is headed towards a permanent authoritarian regime I would trade life here for over there. At least their dictator appreciates science and education.
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A ruthlessly effective technocracy that has achieved very impressive outcomes for their citizens¹ while also being a cultural / societal system I never want to live in. For some reason super obsessed with outside appearances.
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From 1995 to 2025:
- GDP/c: 603 to 13973
- Literacy rates: 77% to 96%
- University graduates per year: 900K to 10M
- Life expectancy: 33 to 77
- Railway km: 54616 to 160000 (50000 high speed)
- Urbanization rate: 29% to 67%
etc.
I like the idea that these were your first impressions of China, as in you stepped off a plane, had one look around and thought “Wow, this place seems like a ruthlessly effective technocracy that has achieved very impressive outcomes for its citizens but it’s certainly a cultural-slash-societal system I never want to live in.”
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Overall amazing history and culture. Government is authoritarian worse than the current US. The Chinese people are smart and kind and very innovative overall. But among billions there is also a lot of fraud and copying.
Give it 6 months and the current US will be more authoritarian.
Technology city of Shenzhen, mountain range, great wall, Mulan, winnie the pooh, three kingdom, wuxia story, and mala peppercorn.
Ohh and it’s my ancestral land.
Thiefs, low quality, dictatorship, murders, will probably try to fuck up my life in the future.
Dude that is the USA. They do have knife guys occasionally but nothing is as terrifying as being a US grade student with an active shooter warning on campus. Besides Japan I’ve never felt safer that over there.
Do you folk have any other talking points than “but USA bad”? This question is not about USA, it’s about fucking China.
You sure nothing’s as terrifying? I think being an Uyghur in a Chinese concentration camp might be even worse.
Well I can’t speak from a Chinese/Uyghur perspective, only from what I know and have seen. I doubt you will find many Chinese residents that would say China is more dangerous than the US. A more divided opinion here for sure. The data proves it, in total murders and per capita. I’ve been all over their cities at all times of night and would not do that here, especially in the city I live in now. The things you are saying that is bad about China I think is worse here. I don’t think any Chinese resident is worried about getting shot while driving down the highway and I’ve lived thru those periods here, in the places it was happening. Just doing a direct comparison. If you’ve visited China I would find it hard to believe you would find it more dangerous.
No, it probably isn’t more dangerous in the direct sense. But it’s more dangerous in the subtler ways. Look, I’m from a country where we had the Soviet bland of dictatorship disguised as communism and let me tell you it’s very similar to the Chinese bland.
You have to censor your opinions because you might end up in prison for saying the wrong thing to the wrong people. And the worst thing, you don’t know what you’re missing because the government and its secret police tries really hard to make sure you don’t know how much better it is.
I believe that you had a superb time as a tourist in China, after all they only show you the good parts as a tourist. You’re simply not allowed anywhere that might shed light on their propaganda.
I’m not saying US is some kind of utopia or whatever, but pretending China is a good country to live in is crazy and dangerous.
I lived there for 2 years. I’m familiar with the propaganda. It was easy for me to ignore since I wasn’t going to be a permanent resident.
I see the same propaganda here. its gotten us in multiple unwinnable wars and is now stripping away our democracy. It’s why we have terrible, expensive healthcare and why gun related deaths are the #1 killer of children. Neither place is utopia. But now I get to worry about my country deporting naturalized citizens which is a thing I never thought I needed to worry about.
Order. Conformity. Mystery. Impenetrable language. Impossible writing. Eating anything that moves. Mindless nationalism. People who don’t talk or even care about politics. Depressed single young people obsessed with shopping. Security cameras. Police. Airport-sized train stations. Electric scooters. Electric cars. Utopian-dystopian sci-fi.
Yes, I have been there multiple times.
PS: to be clear, I was very, very impressed by those trains and especially by the electrification of city transport. In Shenzhen the air is now cleaner than any big city in the West and with all the greenery and silence it really does have a utopian feel. The progress there is genuine, it’s amazing, it deserves lots and lots of credit.
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My family would say “the only thing on the 12 zodiac we don’t eat is the dragon only because it doesn’t exist.”
Rude, impolite and loud people. But not all Chinese people are like that. But the ones that are stand out the most.
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Cut you in the line like you dont exist. Try to force their way in the queue. Shout to their friends right next to your ears. Bump their luggage in your knee/feet/ankle. Stop in the middle of the road or in front of the elevators. Clip nails in public transport. Burp and fart in restaurant without a word. Drop trash on the floor. Spit in the street… you name it, I’ve seen it all.
And again, like all generalities, it doesn’t make much sense. I know not all Chinese people are like that. Especially your mom lol.
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Their authoritarian form of government which is definitely making me not want to ever visit China.
I am sure China is otherwise a wonderful country, I don’t have a negative opinion of Taiwan at all, but the PRC needs their Gorbachev to come to power and liberate them.
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That was the fault of the people who were in power after Gorbachev…
Gorbachev chose Putin himself.
A decade out. Yeltsin chose him.
You’re correct.
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I think of China as a country that pretends to be communist while making cheap products that vary in quality. I also think of the nice people that live there though.
Proper tea.
Wing Chun Kung Fu.
Absolutely fascinated by Chinese culture and mythology. I’m a cdrama fan especially costume and cultivation themes. I am currently taking a Mandarin course so I can read, write, and better understand the language. I hope to travel to China soon if the orange clown in the White House doesn’t ruin my plans. I even homebrewed a cultivation ttrpg based on Investiture of The Gods that my friends are playing through right now. They love it! For context I’m not an Asian person - just a neurodivergent person with a deep interest.
Edit: sorry didn’t recognize your lol username, you’ve probably seen me bloviate on my xianxia addiction before.
