Looks like if you re approached by ICE, you need to assume it’s a kidnapping.
And being sent to El Salvador is a death sentence. I would act in self-defense appropriately.
Because it 100% is a kidnapping. This is so freaking dangerous and entrapping.
And compliance will not save you
Indeed, do not cooperate and fight back. They are NOT a legal authority. If they have a uniformed officer with them (state or city), demand the officer arrest you instead. It MAY be worth it to cause a scuffle and get arrested for assault, which could be dropped as self defense. I’m not a lawyer though, just my opinion. You have to fight these assholes. Get the low level pukes into court and tied up fighting charges. Make them scared to do their master’s bidding.
At this point, you’re fucked, might as well arm yourself. Rather go out like that then be tortured in a foreign prison.
This, or republican representatives growing a spine/conscience, are the only ways this stops.
The first of those is a non-starter, so what I’m saying is, this is the ONLY way this stops.
I’m Canadian who hates guns, and my wife is Bolivian. We live in rural Saskatchewan, but in light of “51st state” talk we have have purchased firearms and hit the gun range a few times in the last couple months. Do we think the two of us can stop the US military, should it come to that? Of course not. Have we had the conversation about what we would do and what we’re willing to sacrifice together for our country? Goddamn right we have. We have a pretty good life and are fairly well off- but we’re both absolutely fine going out together and taking out as many MAGA shitheads out as we can, if needed. If we had young kids the calculus would maybe be a bit different- but we don’t, and it isn’t.
All this to say, if we lived in the US, we would absolutely be armed to the teeth.
I know I mentioned reacting with violence, but I’m at a crossroads. I’m in a red state. Do we put our heads down and wait for an organized resistance? Do we go blasting? Thing with violence is, it affects more than the intended people. If I were to actually fight against the forces that be, they would also go after my family. Everyone around me seems to think guns and blasting away…but violence definitely has a consequence.
I’m also drunk rn and don’t know what else can calm my nerves for this timeline. The only thing that brings me hope is being a community organizer and seeing the hope in peoples faces. I’m doing the most I can in a non-violent way. I’m scared when I have to make that decision to change the course.
What don’t understand is- if the US “left” is so committed to non-violence, why have we not seen a tech-rebellion? Why is there no cyber-“terrorism” or white hat hackers fighting this shit? Democrats have spent the last four decades loudly and proudly insisting that they’re smarter than the ignorant conservatives- so why aren’t they hard at work at outsmarting them?
Without that last resort, violence is going to have to be what it comes down to.
Totally understand, but violence dose have consequences to those you love. That’s why I’m at a crossroads.
If I were to actually fight against the forces that be, they would also go after my family.
Do you believe that because the disappeared people didn’t fight back their families are safe?
Do you believe that because the disappeared people didn’t fight back their families are safer?
Also Canadian. My wife and I have done the same. We aren’t anti gun because we use guns to live. Hunting is food for us not sport. We have those kids you speak of as well.
I’ll be going she’ll be staying with them. I have medical skills that will be valueble and spent my life hunting and being in the outdoors. Luckily we live very rural and our home is in a place that has little to no attraction for ole yam tits. We hope our little cabin hidden deep in the woods and our massive garden can keep my family hidden and fed while I make sure the last thing those American fucks hear is a talking tree.
True north, baby
No gang ties, no criminal history, not even from that country.
We are the baddies.
It’s a shame, there was a scene cut where Captain America walks by a building showing graffiti art of his helmet with the word ‘fascist’ in red on it, causing him to sigh and toss it off. I don’t think he wore it again until Endgame, where they incorporated it into the time travel suit.
Wish that scene should’ve been kept in, and had a bit more focus on Steve Rodgers questioning if he truly was working for organizations that believed what he did. A crisis of faith moment for him instead of a quick 3-second pass with a joke from Hawkeye.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7g7stCb4qY&ab_channel=cutiesmolbaby
We always have been the baddies
I think there are a lot of people who honestly mean well. Have been in the past, and likely still are. But what we have right now, to take a cue from Komodo up above with his Captain American post, this is like real-world Captain America: Winter Soldier, where it looks like overnight we’ve suddenly become a fascist nation. Sad reality though is, like that movie, things have been going on for decades that led us to this point.
I’m not optimistic about our near future. Shit looks grim. But, I’m optimistic that we can eventually fight our way out of it, and hopefully correct things after whatever needs to be done, is done. Got to have some hope, otherwise there’s no point in holding on at all.
I feel you, by “baddies” I’m more referring to the powers that be in America. You and I are just victims to their bullshit that they subject us all to so they can play their little capitalist games. Yeah the future looks frightening for sure and this really sucks but hopefully it’ll at least be a catalyst to a better future. Like Samwise said, the good in this world is worth fighting for and that’s exactly what I’m going to do. What we’re heading into won’t be sustainable and hopefully people wake up and it does seem to be happening a lot more lately. While it looks grim, we will be supported by like minded people so we’re not alone and we’re growing every day
Yeah and the origin of the “are we the baddies?” skit was about guys fighting for the bad guys (that Mitchell and Webb show). Most of us (especially on Lemmy, .ml/hexbear excluded) are anti-fascist, but stuck in a place with very little power to make it stop. We can protest and lots of us will throw wrenches in the works when possible. But many will be seriously hurt when they act, and have families and dependents to provide for.
We’re working to survive and hopefully emigrate and join a resistance in Canada or Europe or Asia, that can fight the fascists externally.
I love Mitchell and Webb. Peep Show is one of my favorite shows ever. Yeah I would absolutely be down for emigrating especially if a third of the country is down with this shit and another third doesn’t seem to care either way. Hope all this shit works out for the better
I’m gonna guess this sort of thing is more the rule than the exception. The goal isn’t to deport actual gang members, it’s to signal a tough-on-illegal-immigration policy without the challenge that comes with actually deporting people who aren’t trying to be found. So they just deport law abiding people who are easier to find because the reality doesn’t matter.
The illegal part seems to be optional in some cases, based on skin tone.
also dont want to scare off too many “illegal immigrants” that are being employed by red states that sustains thier economy too.
ACAB gonna do what ACAB does. Back in the day if a crime was committed the cops would go into a minority neighborhood from which a suspected criminal was from and just arrest someone. “They were guilty of something…” Didn’t matter if they were or not. Just arrest them anyway.
According to the original article, he was here legally waiting until their court date in 2027 to see a judge. He is not a US citizen, but he also is not an “illegal alien.”
No alleged history of crime. No crime in process when detained. Was following the immigration process.
If anyone wants to argue with you about others who have been detained and deported as being “criminals” or “illegals,” this should be evidence to the fact that it isn’t true and ICE doesn’t care. We’re in the slippery slope now.
There’s no slope. We’re at the ‘‘you didn’t stop this when it was stoppable’’
It’s going to be stopped when people stop whining on Internet forums and do something
Now? We’re damn near the bottom of the mountain at this point.
I really fear that this is just the beginning of much worse things to come.
He should have got the Gold card instead of the Green card, they are the only immigrants safe from deportation now and it’ll cost you $5m for that peace of mind.
Well Trump essentially made it official yesterday that even if someone is imprisoned by mistake it will not be reversed
And if you are someone he doesn’t like, for your views, your skin color, your accent, your sexual orientation, your gender, your education, your occupation, your ethnicity, the way you look at him, or how you don’t fawn over him enough or fall behind with your protection payments, he’ll have you “accidentally” kidnapped and imprisoned for life or until the Salvadoran authorities decide you’re a waste of resources and kill you.
Bottom line: if you weren’t born here, you’re getting thrown out, and NOTHING will stop them, including a Green Card or Naturalization.
Eventually, it won’t even matter if you were born here, and are a full natural American-born citizen, from generations of American-born citizens. If they don’t like you, you’re gone.
They’re already admiting they are targeting US citizens.
This is why he’s selling those dipshit citizenship gold Visa’s. He gets your money and he’ll still just send you to El Salvador.
Of course, realize that being a natural born us citizen isn’t going to stop them at some point. When they have eliminated whomever they deem a problem, it won’t be missing accomplished, it will just be time to modify the parameters of who a problem person is
Lol, the “fairness meter” says unfair left leaning. The article is literally just stating what occurred. ❄️
Facts have a liberal bias.
If you didn’t vote it doesn’t show the result.
So it just defaults to unfair left?
Not really. There is no default value and the UI renders the initial needle state as being off the chart.
Click the unfair left and see what happens (it does not automatically submit your vote).
Yeah it’s not the greatest UI. It’s in its “resting” state like in a car, but it makes it look like it’s so far left it’s off the charts. They should just not have the needle until you vote.
Got it. Thanks for the info! That is a little misleading how they have it.
Reality has always had a heavy leftist bias.
What’s the “fairness meter”?
it’s a meter that says it’s only fair if you criticize the party that wants you to have some healthcare and the party that wants to blackbag random people to send them to torture prisons equally.
Welcome to the Fourth Reich
Both the American and El Salvadoran heads of state have stated that neither is able to return people sent from the US to CECOT.
In other words, this man will die in CECOT.
That sends a chill down my spine. If neither heads of state can return the people, that can only mean that they’re already dead.
We might already be in the “death camps” phase of fascism.
There is no “might” about it. Organize. Arm. Resist.
Trump has the “excuse” of having to depend on El Salvador for this but there’s no way Bukele has no control over their prison system. This is the same guy that had the weight to “sanitize” El Salvador of criminals, i’m sure there’s nothing within El Salvador’s borders this guy can’t control.
In other words, this man will die in CECOT.
This guy is likely already dead, which would also be the only somewhat logical explanation as to why Nayib can’t return him.
Forcibly remove first, ask questions later is going to soon end up kidnapping random people out of the country…
Conservative excuses and goalposts will adapt as we go along:
- but look, he was supposed to be deported anyway (Abrego Garcia)
- doesn’t matter that he has a valid asylum case, he came here illegally so he should be kicked out (Gutiérrez)
- If you don’t want to support America, you shouldn’t have a green card (Mahdawi)
- he looks like he came from out of the country and he helps illegal migrants anyway, too bad he’s a US citizen
- these were people spewing violent rhetoric about Trump and America, take them out of the country if they don’t want to be here
- hey wait, this is a mistake!? (future kidnapped Conservative)
“Soon end up” … my dude, it 100% already is. This article is exactly that. A random kidnapping and booting.
It’s already resulting in them kidnapping random people out of the country.
(Formerly American) Conservatives in CECOT: You can’t detain me, I have a rights!
Trump administration: Do you feel like you have rights?
Wilmer Gutiérrez last spoke to his son on March 16 during a brief call allowed by police. He had spent days searching for information, visiting police stations and courthouses, only to be told there was no record of his son.
Insane.
MAGA
Are American law enforcement just reading Nazi history and emulating it at this point?
“Oh yeah, they did this in 1942 so we should do that too!! … Kristallnacht? … oh yeah, we gotta do that one too! … and book burnings and maybe a giant parade or a mass rally with flags and shit”
More like the Cheka in the Soviet Union that just kidnapped anyone they found on the street to meet a quota.
I wonder how long until someone in Trump’s circle suggests they have people wearing symbols on their shirts so they can’t make these mistakes anymore?
This is the 21st century though so it’s going to be sub-dermal RFID tags that get scanned like toll booth passes in cars.
I thought we got those in the vaccine already.
Trump loves gold and these are “Mexicans” so the symbol should be two overlapping golden Doritos. One chip pointing down and the other chip pointing up.
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Do you know what happens to the “casualties” that are rounded up as well?
Their trust in the government is broken, and at the same time they will be exposed to the true criminals and gang members, who will tell them that this is exactly why you need a gang, to protect yourself from the government.
And so the radicalization starts.
When innocent people starts having to protect themselves from the government instead of the government protecting the innocent, then you have a BIG problem.
El Salvador might be safer now than before, sure, but if they only focus on punnishments, it is doomed to fail.
Fair enough I respect your opinion, And I think this is how people should go about having conversation conversations on these type of websites instead of resorting to name calling each other. But it is true that I have read that it will be hard to sustain something like this longevity. But only time can tell and truthfully I’m only speaking about the criminals in El Salvador from El Salvador that are in that jail I’m not talking about the illegal Venezuelan that were deported. This place has been Heaven sent for the people of El Salvador. I know personally because my father is from there I have dual citizenship from that country I travel there a lot and trust me the country did a complete 180
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See that’s the problem with liberals, Someone says something trying to have a conversation not criticizing anyone, I even mentioned that I don’t support it. I didn’t call anyone names, I didn’t call anyone anything. You don’t know me from a hole in the wall, I’m from Massachusetts one of the most liberal states my family comes from El Salvador so I understand the situation a little better than you. But you lunatic liberals the first thing you do when you can’t have a conversation is you call someone a fascist. Learn to have a conversation Because clearly you’re not intellectual whatsoever. You read something and the first thing you do is you call someone names when you don’t even know the person. Now if I was saying what he did is beautiful and amazing and this is exactly what they should be doing then you could probably call me that but I didn’t even say that. Now The whole point of these websites are to be able to have a conversation not to criticize each other and call each other names
Also I noticed that the mod deleted my original comment and I find that ridiculous because again like I said the whole point of these websites are to be able to have a conversation and if people can’t handle reality or the truth what the fuck is the point of this place? Mods do a better job, you have every right to delete Violent things but you have no right to delete stuff Just because you don’t agree with it. You’re a big boy/girl And life is a reality it’s not a Disney Fairytale movie
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Ok so based on United States Disappeared Tracker, which sadly is a thing that exists in this country. It’s far from 100%. But the the numbers do skew a bit towards blue states. Massachusetts in particular has had nearly 400 people taken at the time of this writing. In any case, keep your loved ones close.
