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    Tankies.

    You can’t have a discussion about anything without some tankie blaming it on Ukrainians / the west / capitalism, etc.

    “Oh you stubbed your toe on the table? See, tables are oppressive furniture of the bourgeoisie. The Chinese government wanted to make all tables toe-stubbing resistent, but that would affect IKEA’s bottom line and the pharmaceutical industry’s profits. I have a source from tankiepeoplesmagazine to back this up.”

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      bourgeoisie

      Always makes me laugh when I see this. I’m tempted to start a hexbear bingo, it’ll be the first one on the list!

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      I made the mistake of mentionning social democracy once. This was followed by the most pedantic, insufferable and useless argument I have ever had on the internet. I had better discussions with wall. This was first and last time I was replying to those comments. It is easy to ignore anyway. Sometime you learn the hard way.

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      What’s equally annoying is people who won’t shut up about “tankies.”

      Honestly, everyone across this argument sucks. But I wold like to point out, that not a single “tankie” has complained about anything in the comments here.

      You, however….

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          The funny thing is that u/Pratai@lemmy.ca is in lemmy.ca which defederated hexbear and lemmygrad so he won’t see the annoying tankies.

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            Wouldn’t care if I did. Because I don’t care what other people are into.

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          So complaining about too much complaining in a thread for complaining is too much complaining because it’s not the complaint you yourself have?

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            I too am able to complain about the complainants complaint. if you have a complaint concerning my complaint complaint complaint please don’t hesitate to post it as a response to this complaint

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          Buttthurt? Don’t think you know me that well kiddo.

          I was simply pointing out the irony. I couldn’t care less about either side of the argument.

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          I don’t think so … I think that’s someone talking about what is the most annoying thing you have seen about Lemmy users? … the question and point of the post. Honestly, I think it’s poor form to create a thread for criticising lemmy users/culture to then find certain critiques (which you evidently disagree with) to be inherently invalid without presenting any sort of discussion or explanation for your view in any remotely polite fashion.

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          Did you miss the part where I said everyone across the argument sucks? I didn’t even know what a tankie was until I asked a while back. I think the entire thing is fucking stupid.

          But I see a LOT of people whining about them. Which is ironic considering that the person I responded to called themselves out by making evening about tankies, while people who whine about them do exactly that by whining about them.

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        Yea, I’m with you … the most “annoying” think about tankies is all of the noise about them as though they’re some degenerate scum bringing down society.

        It’s not hard to move past a political opinion you don’t like, or a big and hairy political debate you don’t have time/energy for. But it doesn’t mean a whole bunch of people have to be shunned/exiled because they happen to trigger your inability to do so … or that you have to whine about their presence all of the time.

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          I keep seeing this type of argument being made, the problem is though, it’s not just political differences.

          These users will brigade, follow you around, harass you, post objectionable memes and content, etc if you disagree with them. If you think that it’s just “political differences” and not a big deal, I suggest you spend your time preaching to the group that actually can’t handle being disagreed with and not the rest of us for simply noticing and talking about how horrible that group is.

          I’ve also seen “we’re adults, so lets just move on and not defederate/ban” but the problem here is one group is not actually acting like adults so that argument doesn’t work.

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            I’ve also seen “we’re adults, so lets just move on and not defederate/ban”

            I’m not talking about defederation. Anyone wants to defederate, go right ahead, that’s your right here, and I’m not too interested in getting upset at anyone that wants to do so. That being said, talking about defederation decisions and policies at a general level is also important because of the relationship admins have over users … though here on lemmy we’re pretty happy having multiple accounts and moving around so it isn’t so much of an issue.

            These users will brigade, follow you around, harass you, post objectionable memes and content,

            Woah … I haven’t seen that, do you have links/receipts on that?

            I suggest you spend your time preaching to the group that actually can’t handle being disagreed with

            I presume you’re talking about tankies … what do you mean by “can’t handle”?

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          Shrugging off extremist views as “just a political opinion” that should be ignored if you don’t like it is like the #1 way to normalize and spread extremist views. You do not, and should not, politely ignore extremist. Doing so is explicitly allowing and inviting more into your community. Tankies can fuck off and I will continue to say so.

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            Well, the way I see it is that tankies are pretty much a minority without any power in the west, and, at least the ones I’ve seen around here, aren’t actively organising any sort of violent revolutionary behaviour or anything … which means their views tend to always be critiques of the powerful western governments and mainstream cultures form the perspectives of minorities, and often in ways that many in the mainstream find unpalatable, and therefore unconvincing. So, even if “extreme” (whatever you mean by that exactly) in some way, it’s a “punching up” kind of “extreme” that I’m open minded to hearing, however agreeable or disagreeable I tend to find their opinions.

            Do you really think tankies are convincing? This thread, at least, indicates otherwise. So much “extremism” are they going to be spreading? IMO, the sort of “extremism” much more likely to spread is the sort of stuff driven by hate of some sort of “other” weaker and smaller than the mainstream as a scapegoat, not least because it’s more amenable to the worldview(s) of the larger and more powerful majority.

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              The “extremist views” I’m talking about is the support for authoritarian regimes that use draconian laws and excessive military force to enforce the law. Tankies often do support the subjugation of people they deem “lesser”, but unlike extremist on the far right, they often keep that part quiet.

              The fact that you’re downplaying the extremity of Tankie talking points is a perfect example of how they are able to normalize their opinions by being allowed a voice in groups where their opinions should be shunned and shamed.

              This is a great breakdown of the exact thing I’m talking about.. The video focuses on these tactics and how they are used by the alt-right, but this is not something exclusive to the right and is exactly what tankies are doing on lemmy.

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          People who support the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the CCP’s violations of human rights ARE degenerate scum bringing down society.

          I am never going to stop whining about their presence.

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          Here is how I read this,

          “You don’t have to make me feel like I am whining about things.”

          “So you stop whining about things. Quit talking so I can.”

          Found yet another Lemmy user to prove my point.

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            So a lemmy user criticising a general behavour of lemmy users in a thread asking lemmy users what crticisms they have of other lemmy users … is considered by the OP of the thread to be problematic and “proof of [their] point” … I’m honestly lost.

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          I mean if a political opinion I don’t like is one that says “hey these people shouldn’t be allowed in our country because they are a different color” or “we should allow a president to betray the entire country and sell it out” then no that’s a pretty big deal and those people should be shunned or exiled

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            “hey these people shouldn’t be allowed in our country because they are a different color” or “we should allow a president to betray the entire country and sell it out”

            Wait … are these views pushed by tankies? Do you have any links … genuinely curious?

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          It’s not hard to move past a political opinion you don’t like, or a big and hairy political debate you don’t have time/energy for. But it doesn’t mean a whole bunch of people have to be shunned/exiled because they happen to trigger your inability to do so … or that you have to whine about their presence all of the time.

          Funny, you sound just like my uncle. Do you have confederate flags hanging up in your room too, like he does?