Honestly, the insistence that Lemmy has better discussions than Reddit. Mostly even popular posts have too few comments to constitute any in depth discussion. I won’t be going back to Reddit but I miss the vibrancy.
This but about how almost everything about Lemmy is spun as either good, or better than reddit’s equivalent.
Like the other day I saw a post about how Lemmy’s active users were on the decline, trying to claim that was somehow good for Lemmy. Or back when Lemmy had its /r/place copy, there were plenty of people saying it was better than reddit’s. Basically anything about Lemmy that’s somewhat lacking has people desperately trying to defend it as actually superior.
It borders on delusional at times. Yes Lemmy is good, but reddit is still better in dozens of ways, almost all of them related to user count. And this is coming from one of the people who deleted their reddit account and replaced it with Lemmy cold turkey - I haven’t been back there (except for porn) in almost 8 weeks.
Yes, I miss reddit for porn. Porn lemmy is lackluster
And not niche enough. The stuff I like on reddit has 28 posts from the last 24 hours. The equivalent on lemmynsfw hasn’t had a single post since mid-July and I’m pretty sure the restrictive rules on pornlemmy would just ban it if posted there.
You do know you need an account on the NSFW instances to see the stuff on them right?
Yes. I have one exclusively for it.
I still use both Lemmy and Reddit and I honestly think Lemmy is in a sweet spot where there are enough comments for a discussion but not enough to go off topic.
Reddit discussions are never about the OP, they’re always riffing on an off-topic joke that someone made in a reply to the already off-topic top comment.
It really depends on the topic. The big topics in Lemmy are better. But there’s a lot of niche content that just isn’t there.
Same dog piling happens on lemmy as it did in reddit. You try to introduce any nuance for discussion on a circle jerk thread, and it’s down vote knee reactions.
I tried tildes, but it’s the opposite problem. Pages of text for simple arguments that could be expressed in a paragraph, and people mincing words being too polite to get to the fucking point that they disagree. And if you’re blunt and to the point, it ruffles feathers.
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Lemmy users also tend to be stuck in one mind set and that is they know what they are talking about all the time no matter what even if their opinion is actually kind of shit.
In fairness, this is practically everywhere on the internet.
Yeah Reddit was no different
“lemmy users”, most people here have been here for barely 2 months. The site doesn’t have a defined culture yet, if it ever will given its fragmentation.
I get that you can’t stand having to see opinions you disagree with, but you’re really trying to prop up some punching bag here that doesn’t exist.
Nah, there is a culture here and there was before the reddit move. If there wasn’t then I could just say, “there are now more reddit users and you guys are like reddit users.”
However, most Lemmy users who were here before are going to say, “this isn’t like reddit.”
Also, it’s not about disagreeing with opinions because as you have said that is the internet. It is about seeing people who think they are techy and and that there is one way and one way only. I will give you some examples: Linux is way better than any other OS, FOSS is the only way because why would you buy something, Ew 3 dollars a month for Google drive the cloud is just too expensive, just pirate everything that will stick it to big corporations.
It’s not a disagreement to opinion because these are things I also believe to some extent but on Lemmy they are extreme thoughts to the point of outright ignoring users asking about something and Lemmy downvoting and ignoring their question. So now Lemmy becomes more inclusive. There is also a, “actually,” vibe here and a, “Im not like other girls,” culture that most Lemmy users think they are so different from Reddit that they are actually just different kind of jerks.
Oh, then there is the, “yeah man, I know everything about privacy and security.” And those types of Lemmy users have no idea how much of a nightmare privacy and security is on the Fediverse in general.
So sure I will prop up a punching bag and take a swing but this is the internet if you feel like the punching bag and this felt like a hit then it probably means I’m not too far off.
I love your you immediately got 4 replies proving your point. 🤣
I love your you immediately got 4 replies proving your point. 🤣
I love how there are only 3 replies in total. 🙈
I half-agree with this. I think that this depends a lot on the topic and, while the smaller amount of comments does hurt discussion depth, the individual comments themselves partially offset this by being more thoughtful.
And, while anecdotal, I think that there’s a considerably lower ratio of comments with negative discussion value here in Lemmy than in Reddit. I’m not even talking about the out-of-place jokes (although they add noise), but shit like this:
- “waaah, TL;DR!!” discouraging in-depth explainations
- feigned lack of understanding as ad nauseam tactic
- context illiteracy
- unchecked assumptions towards other users, for the sake of ad hominem
- “trust me”
Don’t get me wrong; you do find this crap here, but IMO it’s way less than in Reddit. And they hurt discussion because they either waste the time of the more thoughtful and knowledgeable users, or outright disengage them.
I agree 100%. On Reddit you usually had the same style top few comments but under those you could actually see good conversation and discussions. Here everyone thinks they are right and you are wrong and nothing you can say can change that.
Alright lemmy let’s give this guy the most in depth talk about why lemmy has better discussions than reddit.
Yeah, I miss hoping on some niche tech sub and saying that I was having trouble with xyz specific thing and I’d had multiple people comment that were super knowledgeable about that exact thing.
Tankies.
You can’t have a discussion about anything without some tankie blaming it on Ukrainians / the west / capitalism, etc.
“Oh you stubbed your toe on the table? See, tables are oppressive furniture of the bourgeoisie. The Chinese government wanted to make all tables toe-stubbing resistent, but that would affect IKEA’s bottom line and the pharmaceutical industry’s profits. I have a source from tankiepeoplesmagazine to back this up.”
bourgeoisie
Always makes me laugh when I see this. I’m tempted to start a hexbear bingo, it’ll be the first one on the list!
I made the mistake of mentionning social democracy once. This was followed by the most pedantic, insufferable and useless argument I have ever had on the internet. I had better discussions with wall. This was first and last time I was replying to those comments. It is easy to ignore anyway. Sometime you learn the hard way.
What’s equally annoying is people who won’t shut up about “tankies.”
Honestly, everyone across this argument sucks. But I wold like to point out, that not a single “tankie” has complained about anything in the comments here.
You, however….
this is a thread specifically for complaining about stuff you don’t like.
don’t be so butthurt about it.
The funny thing is that u/Pratai@lemmy.ca is in lemmy.ca which defederated hexbear and lemmygrad so he won’t see the annoying tankies.
Wouldn’t care if I did. Because I don’t care what other people are into.
So complaining about too much complaining in a thread for complaining is too much complaining because it’s not the complaint you yourself have?
I too am able to complain about the complainants complaint. if you have a complaint concerning my complaint complaint complaint please don’t hesitate to post it as a response to this complaint
Well, I don’t mind if I do!! Fourth complaint is the charm?!
Buttthurt? Don’t think you know me that well kiddo.
I was simply pointing out the irony. I couldn’t care less about either side of the argument.
Don’t think you know me that well kiddo.
The cringe is killing me
Found the Lemmy user who is upset that someone called them out.
I don’t think so … I think that’s someone talking about
what is the most annoying thing you have seen about Lemmy users?… the question and point of the post. Honestly, I think it’s poor form to create a thread for criticising lemmy users/culture to then find certain critiques (which you evidently disagree with) to be inherently invalid without presenting any sort of discussion or explanation for your view in any remotely polite fashion.Did you miss the part where I said everyone across the argument sucks? I didn’t even know what a tankie was until I asked a while back. I think the entire thing is fucking stupid.
But I see a LOT of people whining about them. Which is ironic considering that the person I responded to called themselves out by making evening about tankies, while people who whine about them do exactly that by whining about them.
Yea, I’m with you … the most “annoying” think about tankies is all of the noise about them as though they’re some degenerate scum bringing down society.
It’s not hard to move past a political opinion you don’t like, or a big and hairy political debate you don’t have time/energy for. But it doesn’t mean a whole bunch of people have to be shunned/exiled because they happen to trigger your inability to do so … or that you have to whine about their presence all of the time.
I keep seeing this type of argument being made, the problem is though, it’s not just political differences.
These users will brigade, follow you around, harass you, post objectionable memes and content, etc if you disagree with them. If you think that it’s just “political differences” and not a big deal, I suggest you spend your time preaching to the group that actually can’t handle being disagreed with and not the rest of us for simply noticing and talking about how horrible that group is.
I’ve also seen “we’re adults, so lets just move on and not defederate/ban” but the problem here is one group is not actually acting like adults so that argument doesn’t work.
I’ve also seen “we’re adults, so lets just move on and not defederate/ban”
I’m not talking about defederation. Anyone wants to defederate, go right ahead, that’s your right here, and I’m not too interested in getting upset at anyone that wants to do so. That being said, talking about defederation decisions and policies at a general level is also important because of the relationship admins have over users … though here on lemmy we’re pretty happy having multiple accounts and moving around so it isn’t so much of an issue.
These users will brigade, follow you around, harass you, post objectionable memes and content,
Woah … I haven’t seen that, do you have links/receipts on that?
I suggest you spend your time preaching to the group that actually can’t handle being disagreed with
I presume you’re talking about tankies … what do you mean by “can’t handle”?
Shrugging off extremist views as “just a political opinion” that should be ignored if you don’t like it is like the #1 way to normalize and spread extremist views. You do not, and should not, politely ignore extremist. Doing so is explicitly allowing and inviting more into your community. Tankies can fuck off and I will continue to say so.
Well, the way I see it is that tankies are pretty much a minority without any power in the west, and, at least the ones I’ve seen around here, aren’t actively organising any sort of violent revolutionary behaviour or anything … which means their views tend to always be critiques of the powerful western governments and mainstream cultures form the perspectives of minorities, and often in ways that many in the mainstream find unpalatable, and therefore unconvincing. So, even if “extreme” (whatever you mean by that exactly) in some way, it’s a “punching up” kind of “extreme” that I’m open minded to hearing, however agreeable or disagreeable I tend to find their opinions.
Do you really think tankies are convincing? This thread, at least, indicates otherwise. So much “extremism” are they going to be spreading? IMO, the sort of “extremism” much more likely to spread is the sort of stuff driven by hate of some sort of “other” weaker and smaller than the mainstream as a scapegoat, not least because it’s more amenable to the worldview(s) of the larger and more powerful majority.
The “extremist views” I’m talking about is the support for authoritarian regimes that use draconian laws and excessive military force to enforce the law. Tankies often do support the subjugation of people they deem “lesser”, but unlike extremist on the far right, they often keep that part quiet.
The fact that you’re downplaying the extremity of Tankie talking points is a perfect example of how they are able to normalize their opinions by being allowed a voice in groups where their opinions should be shunned and shamed.
This is a great breakdown of the exact thing I’m talking about.. The video focuses on these tactics and how they are used by the alt-right, but this is not something exclusive to the right and is exactly what tankies are doing on lemmy.
People who support the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the CCP’s violations of human rights ARE degenerate scum bringing down society.
I am never going to stop whining about their presence.
Here is how I read this,
“You don’t have to make me feel like I am whining about things.”
“So you stop whining about things. Quit talking so I can.”
Found yet another Lemmy user to prove my point.
So a lemmy user criticising a general behavour of lemmy users in a thread asking lemmy users what crticisms they have of other lemmy users … is considered by the OP of the thread to be problematic and “proof of [their] point” … I’m honestly lost.
I mean if a political opinion I don’t like is one that says “hey these people shouldn’t be allowed in our country because they are a different color” or “we should allow a president to betray the entire country and sell it out” then no that’s a pretty big deal and those people should be shunned or exiled
“hey these people shouldn’t be allowed in our country because they are a different color” or “we should allow a president to betray the entire country and sell it out”
Wait … are these views pushed by tankies? Do you have any links … genuinely curious?
It’s not hard to move past a political opinion you don’t like, or a big and hairy political debate you don’t have time/energy for. But it doesn’t mean a whole bunch of people have to be shunned/exiled because they happen to trigger your inability to do so … or that you have to whine about their presence all of the time.
Funny, you sound just like my uncle. Do you have confederate flags hanging up in your room too, like he does?
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I feel the worst examples is when you try to engage with the Linux people trying to explain why you can’t use it and they’re just in complete denial
I like Linux, but I can’t use it because I very frequently use CAD programmes like fusion 360 which run exclusively on windows. Mention that and you’ll spammed with “what about FreeCAD?” From people who either have never used freeCAD and are just grabbing the first Google result for “fusion 360 FOSS alternatives” or are in complete denial over how goddamn shit freeCAD is like I’m sorry that is not a functional alternative.
Oh man the FreeCAD discussion
I also use fusion and while FreeCAD has improved significantly, it’s still lacking in critical areas
The replies are always “but it’s gotten better”
Yeah, and it still pops up and error and wrests control away if you dare select a dimension tool and points/lines in the “wrong” order
The replies are always “but it’s gotten better”
It’s funny how often I see this.
Comment from 2023: “Yeah, but FreeCAD has improved a lot over the past couple years, and it is finally a viable alternative now.”
Comment from 2021: “Yeah, but FreeCAD has improved a lot over the past couple years, and it is finally a viable alternative now.”
Comment from 2015: “Yeah, but FreeCAD has improved a lot over the past couple years, and it is finally a viable alternative now.”
Comment from 2004: “Yeah, but FreeCAD has improved a lot over the past couple years, and it is finally a viable alternative now.”
You can see that said about just about any FOSS software. And I am a total FOSS-head myself, more commenting on the community than the software.
Yes! As well as “Only ever use hardened
FirefoxLibrewolf and Duckduckgo, every other product is the literal devil”I mean…we have quite a bit of evidence of at this point that Google and Microsoft are creating problems for the future of the internet and technology in general.
I won’t say they’re the literal devil but I can’t say I’d argue with anyone that says they are.
Calling out horrible practices and encouraging people to use the alternatives that don’t do that shit…yeah, I’m not seeing an issue.
I’m not talking about the tech giants, but the loudest groups here treat alternatives like Brave, Vivaldi, etc. the same way
Iirc the isue with brave for most is that it was made by a “Nazi” (https://www.change.org/p/brendan-eich-brave-software-stop-providing-a-revenue-stream-for-white-supremacist-paedophiles). Personally the issue for me is that it wants to torrent for me but I want qbit to do it, and it’s chrome based. Vivaldi is also chrome based iirc, which is also a problem for people who don’t like the tech giants or the internet DRM bullshit google is trying to pull rn, but unless I’m mistaken idt they’re the worst other than that whole “chromium” thing.
Were you online before Facebook? It was mostly nerds in the 90s and half nerds in the 2000s. You came to a car show and are upset that people are talking about cars. You’re on Wall Street asking “what’s up with all the suits?”
Literally no one is going to tone it down.
But this isn’t a Linux-centered instance.
Just because the Fediverse is FOSS doesn’t mean we have to shill out to everything FOSS on every instance.
That is like claiming since the Fediverse runs on servers, we should all ditch our regular computers and phones and only connect over server hardware.
It is okay to like FOSS, but it is an other thing to keep bringing it up ad nauseam, especially if the topic isn’t even related. It only makes the Linux community look bad.
But this isn’t a Linux-centered instance.
Your instance maybe, but some are, like programming.dev, and the way federation works is we can all talk to eachother.
Not everyone is on db0 either, but here I am talkin’.
Then downvote them and move on, man. You’re complaining about people using the platform they believe in to talk about something else they believe in. They’re not doing anything wrong, and whether or not it annoys you is not anyon else’s concern but your own.
That’s why there a voting system.
Frankly, if you’re still all-in on the Windows or Apple ecosystem, there’s no way to pull you to Linux.
The best Linux spokesmen has been Microsoft lately. I’m not using Linux because I necessarily want to. I want to keep using my clean version of 10, but they’re taking that choice from me. I’m using Linux because I won’t tolerate that shit at this point.
So Linux folks can be as aggressive as they want, it won’t move the needle either way. People are either willing to try it to escape Apple and Microsoft, or they aren’t.
I’m annoyed by all those Facebook-type boomer comics you see on basically all meme subs. Reddit culture managed to get rid of them, but for some reason people here seem to love them
Look, sometimes people enjoy brainless humor and that’s okay. People have hard days. Twelve hours in the field days. Sometimes people are tired and just want something easy and that’s perfectly valid.
As the sages of old said, “It’s okay to not like things. It’s okay, but don’t be a dick about it.”
I know, I don’t really care, I’m just replying to the thread :)
It’s annoying but also interesting to see that people upvote different things
Any example? Out of curiosity
This would be the last one I saw. I probably have plenty more examples in my downvotes, but I don’t think they’re accessible on Lemmy :(
Thanks, now I get what you mean
How is it boomer ?
Kids don’t like anything that doesn’t have foul language, sexual innuendos, or involves subtly.
That said, while I liked the comic linked, it had no business being posted in a meme community.
Sincerely, A boomer
Kids don’t like anything that doesn’t have foul language, sexual innuendos, or involves subtly.
I’ve never heard such a boomer thing to say lmao
Anyway, the main thing I dislike about it is the art style. The jokes can be funny sometimes but they usually aren’t really jokes to me
That was the joke…
This platform is almost 100% idealism and politics. Any hobby/technical community goes completely inactive.
Lots of wanna be communists that are well intentioned but have little real world experience
It’s really goddamn preachy. There’s a real sense of superiority a lot of users have that I don’t recall as much on Reddit.
There’s also the fact that small communities are dead and it’s next to impossible to grow them, so you’re stuck with the same people on the front page every day.
The number of pro-communist posts in here is comical. The amount of anti-capitalist posts is almost comical. Obviously related to some degree.
The lack of posts outside of a few main news and politics communities is frustrating.
It’s sad so many capitalism cheerleaders migrated here, considering most of us are literally here fleeing capitalist greed rot.
Some just refuse to learn. The sunk cost fallacy of “I’ve committed my life to this thing, and no amount of evidence will ever make me accept my mistake as a mistake!”
Should have just stayed to be disrespected by Spez in the name of his profit. He’s a good capitalist.
do you think capitalism is good or something
It’s far from perfect, but it isn’t the cause of every single issue anyone’s ever had like people on here would have you believe
What’s funny is these tankies are making the whole left look bad and I have to remind myself that these people are a tiny minority of disaducated extremists and not to let them put a bad taste in my mouth for anything socialist. I noticed their existence and rhetoric was pushing me right and now I’m realizing they’re very likely conservative trolls, fascists trying to make the left undersireable. A social democracy is what I look forward to, not licking putin’s aashole.
and now I’m realizing they’re very likely conservative trolls, fascists trying to make the left undersireable
You wish. And that sounds like something one of them would say, “left is when good, if they do a bad, they’re on the right.”
At some point, we have to face the facts that there are also bad people on the left. It is what it is, it doesn’t mean the whole left is bad, we can squabble about proportions of hexbear/lemmygrad user types to liberals all day, but to pretend that any leftist that says dumb, authoritarian, or downright immoral things is just a right winger trying to discredit the left is Q level “Crisis Actor” style conspiracy horse shit, with all due respect.
I’m realizing they’re very likely conservative trolls, fascists trying to make the left undersireable.
lol no
I agree with your overall sentiment but disagree on them being right wing trolls (which is exactly what the right claims about those who don’t buy every word). There really are people on the left that extreme in real life too and they need to be tuned out. Disagreeing with them doesn’t make you more right leaning either.
I once stumbled upon a declassified CIA document about how to squash leftist movements from the inside (I haven’t been able to find it again)…a lot of online communists act just like that document said to.
Of systems that have been implemented the best systems have been capitalist based systems.
Unironically yes
Capitalism is the economic equivalent of Nature’s own survival of the fittest.
No one will claim that capitalism is being implemented perfectly, that’s for sure, but the number of communist clowns on Lemmy is absurd. Bunch of 14 year olds trying to be edgy.
Just lack of numbers. Reddit’s at it’s best when I can use it to discuss some incredibly niche topic. That early 2000s RTS that nobody remembers? Got a few dozen redditors still posting memes. New indie game drops? There’s enough redditors on it that we can talk about it.
But lemmy seems really bad for trying to enjoy any community that isn’t a big political or meme centerpiece. Any particular game or IP that isn’t a lowest common denominator? It’ll get maybe 3 posts a month.
No more interesting discussions of gameplay mechanics or inspirations or character analyses, no burning out an entire workday browsing the top all-time and giggling like an idiot, it’s just dead here.
The same massive numbers that made reddit insufferable for some are what make niche communities inhabitable at all.
Hopefully if you start creating those topics/communities, people will eventually flock to it.
That’s what I’m attempting anyway
It’s perfectly fine to use both platforms and still enjoy the niche subs on Reddit. It’s a shame they’re not all in one app/website but it is what it is.
Numbers are a double edged sword. Yes, Reddit has lots of active niche communities that are active because of its massive user base, but once you get to anything not niche, there are so many users that any sort of constructive discussion is nearly impossible are you’re drowned out from the masses. Using Reddit only for the niche stuff (with ads blocked, of course) and Lemmy for anything else seems like a reasonable solution.
Which early 2000s RTS?
Star Wars: Galactic Battlegrounds
An AoE2 licensed reskin that added new mechanics like shield generators and air units. Still have fond memories of it, and it’s been absolutely wild to see that there’s still a community for it after all these years.
Earth 2150?
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The amount of people that like to shit on the U.S. constantly… Like damn I get it, we definitely have problems, but people here would have you think it’s like the wild wild west over here… I promise I’m not fearing for my life every time I go out.
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The extreme left views (I’m liberal myself but some of the things people say here really have me scratching my head sometimes)
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The amount of Windows bad, Linux good posts.
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The amount of people that immediately shit on Apple because of privacy, but use an Android device that accesses the Google Play store (yes I know you can install custom privacy roms, but let’s be real, how many casual users are doing this?)
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People always asking if something is FOSS…
These are just a few off the top of my head.
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Political extremists. So about the same as Reddit, though they seem to be a little more frequent/outspoken here. Also funnily enough the complete opposite side of the spectrum. Used to get called a dirty commie because I believed in Nationalized healthcare, but now I’m apparently a facist for not worshipping the CCP.
This goes not only for the tankies, unfortunately…
I see 1000 more posts against tankies then actual talkie posts… so like… get off it.
Chill the fuck out with the linux supremacy. I hate windows too but linux is not as friendly and efficient as you think.
The pro china/Russia stuff is super weird. Also the hex bear goons brigading everything.
I’m left on the political spectrum but by and large y’all fuckers are over the deep end.
Despite being a techie myself, I’m frequently irritated by how much technical conversation there is on here. I seem to see comments all the time that use some unrelated computer programming concept as a metaphor or a similar non sequitur. It reeks of intellectual elitism and is just a reminder of what a small community we still are. I kind of miss the amount of ‘normal’ people on reddit with more varied interests. That said, generally speaking the quality of conversation on here is really high which is amazing.
This. I can use Lemmy for politics and tech/science news, but not much else.
