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    12 days ago

    I can’t tell from the article if there’s a real problem. None of the levels exceed FDA thresholds, and it sounds bad, but there’s also no definite claim of harm.

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      The max thresholds don’t mean it’s fine if it’s lower, just that at some point it becomes difficult to both detect the presence of things and there’s a limit on how much can be prevented. If we were progressing in time correctly we should be lowering these maximum levels both in the ability of detection and in the beginning sources. Especially in cases like this where either the metals are being added or are part of specific ingredients that would cost more to process and remove the metals.

      And wow, they said Washington State was lower than the FDA, but that’s a magnitude less! Good job, Washington!

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      The article told you. There is NO safe level of lead. The legal limits are not appropriate for health.

      Low level mass lead poisoning makes the world make a lot more sense now.

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    Don’t worry, we’ll just cut the FDA funding and stop testing… problem goes away just like that

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      I mean, it depends what you’re willing to call “research”.

      The testing, conducted by Lead Safe Mama, also found concerning levels of highly toxic arsenic, mercury and cadmium in many brands.

      I’m not sure I would put this on the same level as a controlled, reproducible double-blind peer-reviewed study by Harvard and MIT published in a prestigious journal, but I’m sure it’s really close. /s

      Edit: Ok, so people argue she’s at least a little legitimate, but why the fuck can’t we use actual scientific institutions anymore? We have a scientific method for a reason. Where’s the peer review? Where’s the people reproducing her results?

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        How do you think we get to the point where a researcher can get funding to do actual peer reviewed research? In the state the USA is in they won’t until something like this gets the publics attention.

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          Part of the reason the USA has gotten to this state is because we allow unverified sensationalist slop like this to get the public’s attention and be used against them. We’ve already seen 1 bullshit study linking vaccines and autism that is STILL being widely circulated and used to this day to convince people not only that vaccines are bad but that the whole GOVERNMENT is bad. Look at the results.

          Now we’re going to convince people toothpaste is bad using the same quality of “independent research”?

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            I did not interpret this to mean toothpaste is bad. All I see is greedy corporations not doing their due diligence in making sure their product safe.

            I agree that the reason we’ve gotten to this state is due in part to sensationalist media using bad research to promote claims that get clicks/views that earn them money.

            But I don’t think that’s the same thing at all as someone paying independent labs to test consumer products for toxins.

            There are plenty of sensationalist articles about pseudo-science to get upset over. But someone who’s paying for independent testing of consumer products for heavy metals is not it.

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      12 days ago

      They keep losing their stuff and brain due to lead poisoning, so they have to keep re-searching.

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      How else can the US learn how to inflict the maximum amount of pain on people it doesn’t like?

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    The findings have not been peer-reviewed and the author has been convicted of…a lot of crime.

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      Peer review is for scientific papers, not lab results. If you have reason to question the lab that produced the results, then please share it.

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        There are many different ways to collect the sample that was sent to the lab…

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        My uncle always used to say that his goal in life is to have all his teeth replaced with implants.

        He died at 51 from a heart attack.

        • 𝕱𝖎𝖗𝖊𝖜𝖎𝖙𝖈𝖍@lemmy.world
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          I have a single implant. One. I fucking hate it. Not to speak of the dentist because he’s fantastic, but the structure of the things drives me nuts.

          If anyone’s unaware, they don’t go into the socket like a normal tooth. There’s an anchor, but they’re kinda T-shaped and leave a miniscule gap between the “tooth” and the gum. SO MUCH SHIT GETS TRAPPED IN THERE! I carry metal toothpicks with me everywhere (“weapons” according to every security guy ever) because I constantly have to dig shit out.

          There’s other problems too, but that’s the most annoying one.

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            Hmm. I also have one but it’s the opposite experience for me. Getting the old tooth yanked out and then the drilling into the upper jaw was a weird experience. But I really can’t complain, I actually use that as the dominant ripping and chewing side now.

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            Good to know that I should avoid implants.

            I have three ceramic crowns and they do not have that issue at all. I was bad at my luxury bone maintenance when I was younger so I will probably have to get many more crowns in the future.

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    They had to stop putting lead into fuel years, and now even lead water pipes are under threat, so they need another way to lower peoples IQs to keep them mallable.

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        Thanks. But I definitely remember having read “mallable” before. Could that be a British vs. American thing?

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      back in my day they even leaded the wine!

      that’s where the phrase, “get the lead out”, became so popular.

      invite some friends over for dinner, break out the wine and one of the servants would say, “this wine is vinegar!” and then you’d whip them and scream, “get the lead out!”

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      11 days ago

      Don’t worry. Chronic underfunding of education coupled with social media means we can save money on expensive lead!

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    I think in 100 years our ancestors will find it barbaric that we scrapped our teeth with metal tools and used abrasives to keep them clean instead of having bioengineered bacteria just keep our mouths clean.

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    12 days ago

    So long story short what adult toothpastes and children’s toothpastes are ok to use

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      Rubin said the contamination seems to lie in some ingredients added to toothpaste, including hydroxyapatite, calcium carbonate and bentonite clay.

      Several children’s toothpastes, like Dr Brown’s Baby Toothpaste, did not test positive for any metals and did not contain the ingredients in question.

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      Please stop pushing this person’s blog. Her claims have not been independently verified. It’s shameful that the guardian has amplified this nonsense without scientific proof.

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        11 days ago

        scientific proof like sending the toothpastes to a lab to independently verify leadsafemama’s results?

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      Probably because the bulk of the products tested were likely kids toothpastes.

      Lead Safe Mama community members nominate products for laboratory testing and then the LSM community uses crowd-funding (including through GoFundMe) to raise the funds to cover the costs related to testing and reporting of these nominated products. This is how the toothpaste and tooth powder products listed in the chart below were chosen for testing, and how the testing and reporting was paid for.

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        yeah, kids toothpaste is especially worrisome if it contains toxins because kids can’t exactly spit out their toothpaste until they get to a certain age. they just consume it, so kids toothpaste is supposed to be safe to consume.