Exceptions imply that these roles are not strictly inherent to animal (including human) behavior. If colonizing countries weren’t all patriarchal, I’m sure we would’ve seen many more exceptions.
These exceptions exist for a reason, whether or not they fit your personal worldview.
But for most of the existence of the human species, it was just like that - males were taking care of food and protection, while females were doing the “safer” jobs, like childcare of gathering.
This is just a bad argument, and has been used to justify all kinds of awful things. why would the fact that humans have always done things a certain way imply that that’s a good thing? Is slavery a good thing? rape? colonization? genocide?
Rigid gender roles have only truly served half of the human population. Even so, men have also suffered in other ways because of them. Why shouldn’t we work to better everyone’s lives, in as many ways as we can manage?
Yes, biology is complex, but the case of humans is rather clear-cut.
This is demonstrably false. Biologists have known as much for… quite a while. Please consider informing yourself before making claims about important topics.
These exceptions exist for a reason, whether or not they fit your personal worldview.
Yes, these do exist - but that still doesn’t mean it’s a counterpoint to the fact that the “status quo”, if you will, is what I described earlier.
This is just a bad argument, and has been used to justify all kinds of awful things
Okay, but that doesn’t mean the argument doesn’t hold in this particular case.
why would the fact that humans have always done things a certain way imply that that’s a good thing?
Nobody talks about it being good. I have made zero judgement about if that is a good or bad thing - it’s just a thing. But I feel that the “old times”, where humans were much much less self-conscious and organized, is a solid indicator to how we would act if we were more living off of instinct instead of societal pressure.
Rigid gender roles have only truly served half of the human population. Even so, men have also suffered in other ways because of them. Why shouldn’t we work to better everyone’s lives, in as many ways as we can manage?
I don’t think you understood my comment. I’m not saying that gender roles are a good thing. What I AM saying is that it is, from a biological standpoint, very easy to determine who is a woman and who is not. I’m not saying that every woman should do “womanly” things and every man should do “manly” things.
This is demonstrably false.
No, it’s really not, but I do agree that finding factual information regarding this topic is nearly impossible these days as it’s a topic completely enveloped by political bias and everyone tries to bend the facts as much into his desired direction as possible. However, from my viewpoint and some discussions I had with people who are very well versed in that topic, the human is a rather traditional mammal that also behaves like one - including that only women are able to give birth to children.
Exceptions imply that these roles are not strictly inherent to animal (including human) behavior. If colonizing countries weren’t all patriarchal, I’m sure we would’ve seen many more exceptions.
These exceptions exist for a reason, whether or not they fit your personal worldview.
This is just a bad argument, and has been used to justify all kinds of awful things. why would the fact that humans have always done things a certain way imply that that’s a good thing? Is slavery a good thing? rape? colonization? genocide?
Rigid gender roles have only truly served half of the human population. Even so, men have also suffered in other ways because of them. Why shouldn’t we work to better everyone’s lives, in as many ways as we can manage?
This is demonstrably false. Biologists have known as much for… quite a while. Please consider informing yourself before making claims about important topics.
Yes, these do exist - but that still doesn’t mean it’s a counterpoint to the fact that the “status quo”, if you will, is what I described earlier.
Okay, but that doesn’t mean the argument doesn’t hold in this particular case.
Nobody talks about it being good. I have made zero judgement about if that is a good or bad thing - it’s just a thing. But I feel that the “old times”, where humans were much much less self-conscious and organized, is a solid indicator to how we would act if we were more living off of instinct instead of societal pressure.
I don’t think you understood my comment. I’m not saying that gender roles are a good thing. What I AM saying is that it is, from a biological standpoint, very easy to determine who is a woman and who is not. I’m not saying that every woman should do “womanly” things and every man should do “manly” things.
No, it’s really not, but I do agree that finding factual information regarding this topic is nearly impossible these days as it’s a topic completely enveloped by political bias and everyone tries to bend the facts as much into his desired direction as possible. However, from my viewpoint and some discussions I had with people who are very well versed in that topic, the human is a rather traditional mammal that also behaves like one - including that only women are able to give birth to children.