The cycle goes: Star Wars is for kids and when they grow up they’re going to hate the Star Wars their kids are watching. I’m old enough to have seen the entire cycle with the prequels.
And btw, The best trilogy is Rogue One, Empire Strikes Back, and The Last Jedi.
The difference between the prequels and the sequels is that while a bit cheesy and having some cringe/dogshit dialogue in places the prequels have a solid storyline an arc.
The sequels are just shit with only the Last Jedi trying to do anything, then when they made episode 9 they tried to backpedal and made a completely unwatchable piece of shit that makes no sense
I also argue the world building alone makes them worth it. While the dialogue and plot had some issues, all the new worlds/aliens/the actual sith/etc. heralded in a new age for star wars.
The world in the sequel trilogy is so small in comparison to either of the other trilogys.
I always feel like I saw a different movie than everyone else, both the people that liked it and the people that disliked it. What I saw was the plotlines of both ESB and ROTJ thrown into a blender, with the entire point of those plotlines removed. There was absolutely nothing in that movie that was original. It was the most misogynistic movie in all of Star Wars, Rey doesn’t actually do anything, so I don’t know why the incels hate it. I felt like Disney gave in to those idiots and relegated Rey to a support role in that movie.
Sure they probably tried to cram in too much action adventure into RoS to compensate for the fact that TLJ had no meaningful action in it. Or do you think they backpedalled by making Rey the main character again? That was obviously the intent at the end of TFA, so it was TLJ that screwed that up by making women at best an afterthought and at worst an obstacle for the men to overcome. Most misogynistic portrayal of women in Star Wars, they had to do a big marketing campaign to convince everyone the women in the movie were strong before it was released. I guess it worked.
I watched the OT as a kid… and then watched the Prequels as a few years older kid…
And I thought the prequels were inferior to the OT, and even to many OT/EU based video games that were released before or in the same timeframe as the prequels.
And then the Sequel trilogy was an utter trainwreck, along with pretty much most of the Disney+ shows.
Rogue One was decent?
Mando S1 and S2 were good (very obviously a serial spaghetti western type show, but executed well untill S3) Andor is great, everything else bad or so uninteresting I haven’t even bothered.
Clone Wars is amazing. I feel like they’ve seen more screen time for me than the movies at this point. It’s an anthology series. I even enjoyed the last season even if it was mainly a setup for Bad Batch.
Rebels is good too, although very clearly for a young audience.
I’ve just started working my way through the series and it’s awesome. It’s great seeing those little hints to Anakin’s later fall, but more than anything I love how much it humanizes the clones.
The series does grapple with how fucked up the clone army is - these are people. They didn’t get a choice to fight, they were grown and trained and never given any other options. Seeing things like a deserter clone is cool, seeing clones actively make the choice to keep fighting and explain why they think it is worthwhile… the clones are the best part of the series.
This implies that the bar has nowhere to go but down, except that we know good Star Wars is capable of being produced. Andor is fucking phenomenal, hands down the best thing to have ever been spit out by Disney since they acquired the IP. It’s not a sure bet that time will erase the stains that the sequel trilogy have created on the Star Wars brand. The prequel trilogy may not be perfect, but it felt more like Star Wars than the sequel trilogy ever did.
I really liked the movies JJ Abrams made and enjoyed Solo well enough.
To me the biggest problem is when they take themselves too seriously. Rogue One was trying to be Saving Private Ryan. Last Jedi was trying to be Citizen Kane. They seem like half-assed versions of better movies with the toys I played with as a kid in the mix so that prevents me from taking them seriously.
JJ Abrams made some fun movies that had some interesting things going on in the subtext. Which are the only ones besides the OT that did that.
I watched all 9 again recently with my kid. I am barely old enough to be in the “hate the prequels” gang. All 3 trilogies are good and bad. But after watching again 7, 8, 9 get way too much hate. They aren’t great either. The funny part is, most people hate them for the wrong reasons. Palpatine returning makes sense if you pay attention while watching 3.
There probably is a whole generation that will despise andor and rogue one.
Palatine coming back makes sense with some of the themes from 3, but it really undermines everything about the original trilogy. Essentially, thr sequels take away anything and everything Luke ever did.
Palpatine being back is probably one of the least egregious and on the nose things for the story. Rey being a Palpatine? Several fakouts for losing characters (chewy and c3p0), and the whole of 9 being sidequests up to the flashy ending, those are choices that seem wack.
This, I don’t even know what the fuck is up with the magic dagger that tells you where a holocron is on a crashed space station that did not exist when the dagger was forged.
But there’s shit just as dumb in the prequels, such as Palpatine hiring Dooku who then hires Jango who using his assassin money hires an assassin who hires a droid who hires two bugs, ending in a chase where Jango runs into the old villain trap of “Kill the unwilling informant being coercised into talking and not the guy who actually wants to stop you?” that’s been around since Dick Tracey was writing parking tickets.
I liked the original Star Wars when I was like 10. I was older when the 2nd one came out and that was ok-ish. I was in my teens when the teddy bear Star Wars movie came out and I thought that was the dumbest fucking shit ever.
Overall, definitely, but there are many things that came from it that I can’t deny loving and which have fully joined my idea of what Star Wars is. Several specific scenes, many characters like BB8, Fin, Kylo etc. (all which have major problems, but I still like them in their own way) and other random things.
I was never a SW megafan, but I like the original movies enough to care, and I won’t deny enjoying many parts of the sequel-sequel series. But if I were given the choice of deciding if they’d have never had existed I’d have chosen that.
What a disappointing series that was.
The cycle goes: Star Wars is for kids and when they grow up they’re going to hate the Star Wars their kids are watching. I’m old enough to have seen the entire cycle with the prequels.
And btw, The best trilogy is Rogue One, Empire Strikes Back, and The Last Jedi.
The difference between the prequels and the sequels is that while a bit cheesy and having some cringe/dogshit dialogue in places the prequels have a solid storyline an arc.
The sequels are just shit with only the Last Jedi trying to do anything, then when they made episode 9 they tried to backpedal and made a completely unwatchable piece of shit that makes no sense
Fight choreography for the prequels saves it a lot.
I also argue the world building alone makes them worth it. While the dialogue and plot had some issues, all the new worlds/aliens/the actual sith/etc. heralded in a new age for star wars.
The world in the sequel trilogy is so small in comparison to either of the other trilogys.
Revenge of the Sith has the best and most gratuitous action in the entire mainline series.
So true!
And I’ll also grant that the emperor’s guard fight and the force projection fight both count to redeem the sequels, a bit.
No. The emperor’s guard fight was absolute garbage.
Wait you turn to attack the protagonist. A nice orderly line for one attack and one counter.
Then there was the guy who straight up dropped his weapon before his turn, but pretended he didn’t.
What did Last Jedi actually do?
I always feel like I saw a different movie than everyone else, both the people that liked it and the people that disliked it. What I saw was the plotlines of both ESB and ROTJ thrown into a blender, with the entire point of those plotlines removed. There was absolutely nothing in that movie that was original. It was the most misogynistic movie in all of Star Wars, Rey doesn’t actually do anything, so I don’t know why the incels hate it. I felt like Disney gave in to those idiots and relegated Rey to a support role in that movie.
Sure they probably tried to cram in too much action adventure into RoS to compensate for the fact that TLJ had no meaningful action in it. Or do you think they backpedalled by making Rey the main character again? That was obviously the intent at the end of TFA, so it was TLJ that screwed that up by making women at best an afterthought and at worst an obstacle for the men to overcome. Most misogynistic portrayal of women in Star Wars, they had to do a big marketing campaign to convince everyone the women in the movie were strong before it was released. I guess it worked.
I hated TLJ. I grew up on the OG and saw the awful prequels in theatres despite knowing they were bad.
Too much bad writing. Too many plot holes. Too many monumental changes to how the universe works.
I watched the OT as a kid… and then watched the Prequels as a few years older kid…
And I thought the prequels were inferior to the OT, and even to many OT/EU based video games that were released before or in the same timeframe as the prequels.
And then the Sequel trilogy was an utter trainwreck, along with pretty much most of the Disney+ shows.
Rogue One was decent?
Mando S1 and S2 were good (very obviously a serial spaghetti western type show, but executed well untill S3) Andor is great, everything else bad or so uninteresting I haven’t even bothered.
I hear that The Clone Wars animated series is good too.
Clone Wars is amazing. I feel like they’ve seen more screen time for me than the movies at this point. It’s an anthology series. I even enjoyed the last season even if it was mainly a setup for Bad Batch.
Rebels is good too, although very clearly for a young audience.
I’ve just started working my way through the series and it’s awesome. It’s great seeing those little hints to Anakin’s later fall, but more than anything I love how much it humanizes the clones.
The series does grapple with how fucked up the clone army is - these are people. They didn’t get a choice to fight, they were grown and trained and never given any other options. Seeing things like a deserter clone is cool, seeing clones actively make the choice to keep fighting and explain why they think it is worthwhile… the clones are the best part of the series.
This, I’m willing to bet that the sequels will be just as beloved as the prequels suddenly were.
This implies that the bar has nowhere to go but down, except that we know good Star Wars is capable of being produced. Andor is fucking phenomenal, hands down the best thing to have ever been spit out by Disney since they acquired the IP. It’s not a sure bet that time will erase the stains that the sequel trilogy have created on the Star Wars brand. The prequel trilogy may not be perfect, but it felt more like Star Wars than the sequel trilogy ever did.
I’m just amazed people think Disney’s bad considered Lucas’ plan for the series was just remaking the prequels in 3D and doing Star Wars Detours
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I really liked the movies JJ Abrams made and enjoyed Solo well enough.
To me the biggest problem is when they take themselves too seriously. Rogue One was trying to be Saving Private Ryan. Last Jedi was trying to be Citizen Kane. They seem like half-assed versions of better movies with the toys I played with as a kid in the mix so that prevents me from taking them seriously.
JJ Abrams made some fun movies that had some interesting things going on in the subtext. Which are the only ones besides the OT that did that.
I watched all 9 again recently with my kid. I am barely old enough to be in the “hate the prequels” gang. All 3 trilogies are good and bad. But after watching again 7, 8, 9 get way too much hate. They aren’t great either. The funny part is, most people hate them for the wrong reasons. Palpatine returning makes sense if you pay attention while watching 3.
There probably is a whole generation that will despise andor and rogue one.
Palatine coming back makes sense with some of the themes from 3, but it really undermines everything about the original trilogy. Essentially, thr sequels take away anything and everything Luke ever did.
I think it’s funny when people compare the sequels to the EU, when they share a lot of ideas.
I actually have to blink at the number of times people swear to me, without sarcasm or irony, that the EU would “NEVER BRING BACK PALPATINE!”
But like, it did though?
Palpatine being back is probably one of the least egregious and on the nose things for the story. Rey being a Palpatine? Several fakouts for losing characters (chewy and c3p0), and the whole of 9 being sidequests up to the flashy ending, those are choices that seem wack.
This, I don’t even know what the fuck is up with the magic dagger that tells you where a holocron is on a crashed space station that did not exist when the dagger was forged.
But there’s shit just as dumb in the prequels, such as Palpatine hiring Dooku who then hires Jango who using his assassin money hires an assassin who hires a droid who hires two bugs, ending in a chase where Jango runs into the old villain trap of “Kill the unwilling informant being coercised into talking and not the guy who actually wants to stop you?” that’s been around since Dick Tracey was writing parking tickets.
Rogue One was just boring. That was my only issue with it.
I liked the original Star Wars when I was like 10. I was older when the 2nd one came out and that was ok-ish. I was in my teens when the teddy bear Star Wars movie came out and I thought that was the dumbest fucking shit ever.
Still beat GoT marginally :)
Overall, definitely, but there are many things that came from it that I can’t deny loving and which have fully joined my idea of what Star Wars is. Several specific scenes, many characters like BB8, Fin, Kylo etc. (all which have major problems, but I still like them in their own way) and other random things. I was never a SW megafan, but I like the original movies enough to care, and I won’t deny enjoying many parts of the sequel-sequel series. But if I were given the choice of deciding if they’d have never had existed I’d have chosen that.