I’ve been overweight my entire life, over five decades now, and these drugs are nothing short of a miracle.
In addition to changing how my body processes sugar, it kills any desire I have for any particular food as well as hunger.
They like to say that it “silences food noise in your brain” and that works as a description but it doesn’t convey just how truly profound that is.
You can tell that it works, BTW, by how much they charge for it.
I’m down a little more than 30 pounds in 90 days. Given enough time I will be slim/normal for the first time since the 1970s, and I don’t appreciate chucklefucks calling them a scam.
You know what’s a scam? HFCS. Sugar in everything.
I used to work in public health, and even among educated people there was a lot of prejudice against the idea that addiction was beyond the individuals control.
I’m not claiming to have evidence backing me up, but I fear the idea that addiction is under your control may be higher among the educated populace may not be affected by being more highly educated because they’re bought into meritocracy and the idea of improving oneself. ‘Just do this’ platitudes etc. from the crowd that believes everything works like a controlled lab experiment they did in AP Bio
Specifically, I was referring to medical professionals and hospital workers I knew. Detox units and rehab was a part of the system, but people who dealt with alcoholics and addicts of all types every day would still say it was a matter of will power and not an illness.
What was your experience in getting those prescribed? Was it a matter of just being overweight? Did they go over lifestyle changes as well? There was a guy at work that was going to get them prescribed. He was very overweight, but he ate horrible food, a lot of candy, and drank three monsters a day. I’ll admit I got a little judgemental when he mentioned the medication. He was a good guy and I cared about him, but hard to help him see his lifestyle was probably the cause of a lot of his issues. I ultimately didn’t care how he got healthy, if its a pill so be it. But hopefully the lifestyle changes are tried as well. I also think we really need to focus on the mental health aspect of it. He was really hard on himself and I found myself regularly trying to steer him away from that.
I haven’t read into any of it, but I thought weight watchers was just a calorie counting thing? I’m assuming the new drugs just curb your appetite to allow your stomach to shrink and then you have to still learn to be a healthier eater to maintain/lose weight. I have no impulse control when it comes to food sometimes so I’d fuck that up real quick. If I am in the mindset of eat healthy I can do that for a while, but soon as I have that one day I’ll sit down and eat a whole pizza and not give a fuck which I assume would stretch my stomach or tear any stitches and I’d be back to where I was (or in the hospital)
That’s exactly what they help with, they turn off the impulse to eat. You feel full and content… and if you do try force yourself to eat too much you feel sick.
Without the impulse to eat, all you have is the logical part of you deciding an appropriate time to eat and giving you the headspace to make a good decision about making that meal healthy.
Pretty much. Weight watchers worked great if you adhered to it. Pretty easy to lose weight when you eat fewer calories than you burn. Problem is people’s willpower to feel hungry and not eat more calories.
The modern them actually has an app that lets you build out recipes and/or scan barcodes to track what you eat, they use a distilled version of nutrition called “points” and you’re allocated Y points a day to try stay in your food budget.
I think their older system was also points based just not software.
The app has training content and some kind of social community (that people say is quite terrible apparently because of the other users).
It isn’t a bad concept, and helps one understand that a slice of pizza is insanely unhealthy if one didn’t already know that.
Where it falls apart is their skeezy subscription model. Best time to sign up is around New Years, if you do bulk pricing you get a discount for the year, if you sign up partly through the year, that discount only lasts 10, 8, 7 months, however many are left. If you want to get a better rate, even their customer service says to just cancel and then sign back up after you’re canceled. If they had honest flat-rate pricing and curated their social space/education material better, they’d likely have had something to offer…Instead, like most health tracking/exercise/apps that cost money, it’s difficult to manage, expensive, and abrasive to cancel.
Like so many businesses that went “app” - they didn’t embrace a usable and sustainable model that fit on a digital platform, and instead basically phoned it in.
One could argue that paying a subscription to not over-eat is a scam similar to the way gyms prey on people and get them to sign up while expecting that they’ll only come once or twice.
While I’ve not taken them, though I’ve thought about it, I’ve met people who have. It’s shocking how well those drugs work. Both of them were super happy with the results and could probably be sales reps, to be honest. One was even proud to share her before photo, because she wanted to drive home just how well it worked. No one believed her until she showed the photos.
“Weight Watchers files for bankruptcy as old weight loss scams are supplanted by new weight loss scams”
Fixed the headline for them.
Yeah fuck off.
I’ve been overweight my entire life, over five decades now, and these drugs are nothing short of a miracle.
In addition to changing how my body processes sugar, it kills any desire I have for any particular food as well as hunger.
They like to say that it “silences food noise in your brain” and that works as a description but it doesn’t convey just how truly profound that is.
You can tell that it works, BTW, by how much they charge for it.
I’m down a little more than 30 pounds in 90 days. Given enough time I will be slim/normal for the first time since the 1970s, and I don’t appreciate chucklefucks calling them a scam.
You know what’s a scam? HFCS. Sugar in everything.
These new drugs though - not a scam. At all.
I used to work in public health, and even among educated people there was a lot of prejudice against the idea that addiction was beyond the individuals control.
I’m not claiming to have evidence backing me up, but I fear the idea that addiction is under your control
may be higher among the educated populacemay not be affected by being more highly educated because they’re bought into meritocracy and the idea of improving oneself. ‘Just do this’ platitudes etc. from the crowd that believes everything works like a controlled lab experiment they did in AP BioSpecifically, I was referring to medical professionals and hospital workers I knew. Detox units and rehab was a part of the system, but people who dealt with alcoholics and addicts of all types every day would still say it was a matter of will power and not an illness.
Hey good for you! Keep it up dude.
What was your experience in getting those prescribed? Was it a matter of just being overweight? Did they go over lifestyle changes as well? There was a guy at work that was going to get them prescribed. He was very overweight, but he ate horrible food, a lot of candy, and drank three monsters a day. I’ll admit I got a little judgemental when he mentioned the medication. He was a good guy and I cared about him, but hard to help him see his lifestyle was probably the cause of a lot of his issues. I ultimately didn’t care how he got healthy, if its a pill so be it. But hopefully the lifestyle changes are tried as well. I also think we really need to focus on the mental health aspect of it. He was really hard on himself and I found myself regularly trying to steer him away from that.
You put in more work and he took the easy way and you got the same results. It’s fair to feel like he cheated but he didn’t.
We have better methods of weight loss than starving ourselves and wasting our little free time exercising.
I haven’t read into any of it, but I thought weight watchers was just a calorie counting thing? I’m assuming the new drugs just curb your appetite to allow your stomach to shrink and then you have to still learn to be a healthier eater to maintain/lose weight. I have no impulse control when it comes to food sometimes so I’d fuck that up real quick. If I am in the mindset of eat healthy I can do that for a while, but soon as I have that one day I’ll sit down and eat a whole pizza and not give a fuck which I assume would stretch my stomach or tear any stitches and I’d be back to where I was (or in the hospital)
And counseling, according to Wikipedia.
That’s exactly what they help with, they turn off the impulse to eat. You feel full and content… and if you do try force yourself to eat too much you feel sick.
Without the impulse to eat, all you have is the logical part of you deciding an appropriate time to eat and giving you the headspace to make a good decision about making that meal healthy.
Pretty much. Weight watchers worked great if you adhered to it. Pretty easy to lose weight when you eat fewer calories than you burn. Problem is people’s willpower to feel hungry and not eat more calories.
The modern them actually has an app that lets you build out recipes and/or scan barcodes to track what you eat, they use a distilled version of nutrition called “points” and you’re allocated Y points a day to try stay in your food budget.
I think their older system was also points based just not software.
The app has training content and some kind of social community (that people say is quite terrible apparently because of the other users).
It isn’t a bad concept, and helps one understand that a slice of pizza is insanely unhealthy if one didn’t already know that.
Where it falls apart is their skeezy subscription model. Best time to sign up is around New Years, if you do bulk pricing you get a discount for the year, if you sign up partly through the year, that discount only lasts 10, 8, 7 months, however many are left. If you want to get a better rate, even their customer service says to just cancel and then sign back up after you’re canceled. If they had honest flat-rate pricing and curated their social space/education material better, they’d likely have had something to offer…Instead, like most health tracking/exercise/apps that cost money, it’s difficult to manage, expensive, and abrasive to cancel.
Like so many businesses that went “app” - they didn’t embrace a usable and sustainable model that fit on a digital platform, and instead basically phoned it in.
Weight Watchers is basically eating in moderation, its most definitely not a scam.
One could argue that paying a subscription to not over-eat is a scam similar to the way gyms prey on people and get them to sign up while expecting that they’ll only come once or twice.
One could say that, but they would be wrong lol
While I’ve not taken them, though I’ve thought about it, I’ve met people who have. It’s shocking how well those drugs work. Both of them were super happy with the results and could probably be sales reps, to be honest. One was even proud to share her before photo, because she wanted to drive home just how well it worked. No one believed her until she showed the photos.