Not if the people examining my documents are morons, no.
I have a birth certificate, I have a passport and a passport card. None of that is a defense against “It’s fake”.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/24/us-citizen-detained-ice-real-id
Pretty much. The fact is that ICE does stuff like beat up and arrest a state-level union president because they don’t like the color of his skin.
Don’t call it an arrest.
It’s detainment. Kidnapping even. But an arrest has certain procedures and requirements that are not being followed by ICE.
So does detainment. The fact that they are not following the procedures and requirements makes it an unlawful arrest or, as you correctly pointed out, kidnapping.
Another thing to consider is the recording of a ICE kidnapping where the person said they were a natural born citizen, when asked for proof they didn’t have their birth certificate on them… While in the car… driving to work.
The white paper birth certificate… That in my case is over 50 years old, and embossed with a stamp the clerks office likely got at the local trophy shop. That’s it.
Drivers license including the Real ID ones don’t count it seems.
So, yes. It’s being used to indiscriminately arrest who they want like the Stasi fucks they are.
Insane that the Real ID ones won’t count when you need a brith certificate to get one.
Do you not need a birth certificate to get a drivers license in the US?
Nor do you in most countries. Generally, a passport is the most authoritative form of identification.
Not op, but most countries provide an ID that is not a passport. It needs a birth certificate. In my country that ID is far more authoritative than a passport and it even allows ingress to the country in case the passport is lost.
This ID issue is a very US thing. Most governments keep a tight registry of citizens and wouldn’t have any doubt about who is and isn’t a citizen.
I’d hope Ingress would be allowed in if their birth certificate said they were born there!
Do you travel abroad with your birth certificate on you?
Right but you need a birth certificate to get a US passport dont you?
Yes, because a passport is based on citizenship.
You can use a birth certificate but it’s not required, there’s other methods to prove your identity.
That’s no longer true. That’s what the RealID is about.
While there is an option to have a driver’s license as a Real ID, not all driver’s licenses are Real IDs. Not sure the majority are tbh.
Usually you need multiple forms of identification, and the birth certificate could count as one, but isn’t required because non-citizens can get a driver’s license if they are here long enough. Someone spending the decade or so going through the slow ass process to get their citizenship needs a driver’s license during that decade.
Let’s see the citizenship proof of every ICE agent.
Its your word and evidence against the word and ignorance and willingness to kick you out of a racist asshole.
Time to get a global entry card as well.
So ICE considers my government issued IDs are ‘fake’…
Then we counter with saying that ICEs badges are fake and start shooting them in the fucking face if they ever try to take my wife away.
Alternately, ICE agents aren’t trained/are too dumb to identify fake IDs…
It’s like proving to a Nazi, you don’t have Jewish ancestry in 1938.
So many things wrong with this headline.
- It is ‘nearly impossible to escape’ FOR ANYONE, not just US citizens. By design.
- You can be in the US legitimately without being a citizen.
- ANY AND EVERY detainment by ICE is wrongful.
- You are not legally required to provide ID to authorities. In some states you can be compelled to provide your full name and possibly your address, ONLY if there is reasonable suspicion against you.
There is an important and subtle distinction to be made here. A lot of noise is made calling people who are here without authorization “illegals”, but that’s not always true. Being present in the country without authorization is not automatically a criminal matter. It is true that many of the avenues for being here without authorization (crossing illegally, overstaying a visa) also violate the law, but that is handled as a separate matter.
Since immigration status is mostly a civil matter, ot a criminal one, these immigration courts are not under the Judicial Branch, like criminal courts are. They are actually “administrative courts” which are part of the Department of Justice, under the President, just like ICE is.
So while the courts occasionally provide a check on this Predident’s power, the immigration courts never will. They ultimately report to the President through the DoJ, and the President has much more direct influence over it. So it doesn’t surprise me that these people are stuck in a Kafkaesque hell, where ICE ignore their pleas that they are citizens and says “tell it to the judge”, and when they finally get to the judge they get ignored.
Is it any wonder that Trump was so dead set against the immigration bill last year? He needed the process to stay chaotic, in order to have a better chance of winning.
Republican leadership has been calling non-citizens here legally under temporary protected status illegals as well. Same holds true for other asylum seekers that followed the legal process. Facts and laws that stand in opposition to their goals are ignored by the republicans in charge and their supporters.
Only people acting in good-faith care about your “proof”
It’s getting to the point very soon that the only way you stop this, is armed community resistance.
No warrant, no entry. The only way you stop the abuse of power, is by confronting it with more power.
They are bullies, they are not brave.
No, that’s now. Look at what happened yesterday in L.A., for instance.
What happened?
Well that escalated quickly. Any excuse to get the army toys out I guess.
not if someone expects me to produce documents randomly on the sidewalk.
Good luck once locked up without the right to an attorney
Without due process they can just take your documents and poof! What documents?
This is pretty much it. When folks are disapearin and theyre response is they are bad and now its to late oh well. No one is safe. Its literally the secret police.
prints another copy out of my backpack printer
Prove you’re not a camel. Props to Timothy Snyder for calling that one.
I fully agree with the comments criticizing the ICE and proof of citizenship. The shitty part, the judicial branch is not arresting nor penalizing the business owners hiring illegal labor and a lot of those fuckers voted for this shit.
Yeah, that’s the problem isn’t it? I have to assume that if there was nowhere to work, there’d be less folks coming here illegally. It’s just known you can come, work your ass off, get paid pretty well in cash, and send that shit home on a weekly basis. And there’s rules about what can get sent home and there are ways folks skirt that all the time. It’s a whole economy. And nothing is done about the people facilitating it. It’s arresting the drug user, but leaving the dealers in place.
Watson says that, looking back, he’s not confident that the damage long-term imprisonment did to his mind and body was worth it to remain in the country. “As lovely as America sounds, it’s not everything. It’s okay to start back over and live your life, because sometimes you’re gonna sit there for a long time if you’re fighting,” he says. His advice to other citizens in ICE detention is to remain open to giving up, if deportation means getting out of jail
Only do that if you know you’ll actually be deported - rather than imprisoned offshore.
Friendly reminder: suspending habeas corpus for illegal immigrants means that you have NO LEGAL RECOURSE WHATSOEVER if ICE wrongly detains you.
You cannot in any way prove in a court of law that you are not an illegal immigrant if you have no right to have your detention as an illegal immigrant challenged in court.
It DOES NOT MATTER if you have great evidence that you’re not an illegal immigrant if illegal immigrants lose their right to trial. It means NOTHING because you then immediately lose your right to legal defence as soon as ICE detans you.
Proving you’re a citizen or not is irrelevant since ICE are not enforcing immigration law they’re conducting an ethnic cleansing campaign.
Man, I can’t wait for them to try to grab someone with concealed carry.
They’re wearing body armor. Dude with a concealed gun likely ends up dead, and ICE gets no charges because they were afraid.
I don’t see any Kevlar on their faces.
Odds of shooting somebody in face when you are ambushed by a larger group of armed men are low.
Kevlar isn’t magic. For a pistol round, it might absorb a bunch of the energy, but it’s still like getting kicked in the chest by a horse. And that’s only for one. Or, if they’re ceramic plates, they become much less effective after the first impact.
And that’s for a pistol. Consider if they come to the wrong house and the person at the door has a shotgun.
The problem is that you’re probably not lying in wait with a mythical concealed-carry shotgun. Realistic sequences that have happened in the recent past:
- A couple guys wearing utility company uniforms ask to step inside to diagnose a problem. They then jump you and arrest you.
- Your camera system stops working due to jamming. Then 15 armed men break through your door and surprise you while you’re asleep in bed.
- Several people in the crowd at your kid’s graduation ceremony suddenly surround you and zip-tie your wrists before you realize what’s going on.
You’re going to be dealing with a situation where you don’t see in advance what’s happening, and where you’re confronted with a whole batch of people who are heavily armed and wearing body armor. That’s a situation where one individual acting alone is very unlikely to succeed in killing an assailant with a gun.
police arrest armed people all the time. or they shoot them.
even having two naked guys with guns vs one body armored guy with a gun puts the odds in the naked guys’ favor.
The number of blithely staunch fascists in that article’s comment section is nauseating.
Welcome to America
Well, for me personally, all they would need to do is run my finger prints as my prints have been in the system since I was in highschool for employment background checks.
However, that would assume that the thugs were competent and acting in good faith, which they are not.
