• justastranger@sh.itjust.works
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    It’s like every time there’s a war everybody forgets how fucking long they take. WW2 took six years. The Vietnam War took almost 20 years, same with the Afghanistan War. Anybody expecting anything solid within the next couple years is delusional. Ukraine is in it for the long haul.

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      That’s not strictly true. On the short end, there was the six-day war. On the long end, there was the hundred years’ war.

      Putin was clearly aiming for the short option, but then I suppose most belligerents usually are.

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      And Russia expected their little venture to be done in days.

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        It was never supposed to turn into a real war. They wanted to assassinate Zelenskyy put some Russian plant in as president, annex some more land and call it a night. Obviously Zelenskyy survived and the rest is history.

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      We can hope Putin dies from being an old fuck and Russia gives up

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        The US is on its last legs though. It badly needed this win. The US falls before Putin dies.

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              Lol literally every single line of that post is absolutely nonsense.

              The US is on its last legs though.

              Lol in what universe? By way metric is the most powerful nation in the world limping along?

              It badly needed this win.

              If we badly needed a win we wouldn’t be sending 30+ year-old surplus gear. Ukraine would have F-35s instead of the air force trying to pawn off A-10s because we’re retiring them and don’t want to break them down.

              The US falls before Putin dies.

              Unless he’s a Highlander there’s no fucking chance.

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          I always take a peek at the comment history when I see things like this. And this guy basically just woke up to say things like this in one specific thread.

          I’m no longer a mod of anything these days, but if I had a mod-hammer I’d send you into the next galaxy.

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      That’s because it isn’t really about any particular military objective, it’s about creating business for the war industry.

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      “We’ll fight til the last Ukrainian!” - libs

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        “We shouldn’t help the rape victim and they should hope that it’s over quickly. Also, it’s actually not rape, it’s a special sexual operation and they deserved it.” - Tankies

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          And shelling civilians in the Donbas is presumably the equivalent of putting on a nice dress in your metaphor?

          Make extremely inappropriate and wrong rape comparison ⇒ Accuse anyone who disagrees of being a rape apologist ⇒ FUCK TANKIES!

          Extremely normal and sound logic there, definitely not just vibe-based emotional manipulation.

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            Ask Prigozhin whether that shelling actually happened. You swallowed Russian propaganda hook, line, and sinker.

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              https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/Documents/Countries/UA/OHCHRThematicReportUkraineJan2014-May2016_EN.pdf

              OHCHR estimates that between mid-April 2014 and 31 May 2016, at least 9,404 people, of which up to 2,000 are civilians, have been killed as a result of the conflict. The vast majority of civilian casualties, recorded on the territories controlled by the Government of Ukraine and on those controlled by armed groups, were caused by the indiscriminate shelling of residential areas, in violation of the international humanitarian law principle of distinction.

              Na better believe Prigozhin, that guy never told a lie or said anything that was totally wrong.

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                What do you believe your source to say, exactly? That Ukraine shelled indiscriminately? If so, you should read it again.

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                  Yes it says that exactly, unless you think the “armed groups” shelled themselves.

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                    Maybe the armed groups headed by known criminals (look at who ran those “people’s republics”) shelled the civilians? They also shot down MH-15.

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          Funny how if you’re against another endless war you’re a tankie and support Putin…

          I’m neither a tankie nor I support Putin. But I also don’t support NATO and the Empire.

          But just as a note, most “tankies” don’t support Russia and know Putin is a conservative capitalist. I mean he is the direct result of the dismantling of the USSR by internal revisionists (tsarists and capitalists) and the CIA.

          But again, it’s the Iraq war all over again. And you libs are doing THE SAME THING. It’s hilarious.

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            There’s a load of things I could say, but they would all be pointless, so I’m going to say this. It would be less depressing if you were actually being paid by the Russians.

            EDIT: Which, you know, is not actually out of the question.

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              “Being against war means you are our enemy!” - the “pacifist”, “anti-war”, liberal.

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        There’s a lot of angry liberals replying to your post, so I thought I’d link a great video on how/why the war in Ukraine came to be:

        https://youtube.com/watch?v=LL4eNy4FCs8&si=gaMRzFwo5JP5RzeD

        This channel is leftist but they aren’t communists, as far as I know.

        Tldw: This war was completely avoidable. Had the US/NATO kept its promise to not expand eastward none of this would have happened. Even Biden said that 25 years ago. Americans groomed certain Ukrainians for political office, and prevented others from running. There was an opportunity to end the war last year on somewhat decent terms for Ukraine, but Boris Johnson rushed in to stop it from happening, promising massive support. But war exhaustion has caught up and Ukraine is running out of people, and western leaders are already starting to call for the end of the war — except this time it will be on russias terms and Ukraine is going to get fucked. Big western capitalists have had their fingers in this pie because there’s a lot of money to be made in the country. That’s it.

        Anyone with two brain cells to rub together knows that Putins invasion was a horrific, imperialist move. Any commie you see protesting the war isn’t doing it because they support Russia (Russia is a capitalist country), they’re doing it because they don’t support NATO. We are often the makers of our own enemies here in the west. Viet Cong, Taliban, ISIS, and Russia were all created or shaped by western (mainly US) policies.

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            Thanks I’ll watch it when I’m home from work. Right now it looks like it’s just some guy talking, whereas the video I linked only talks about things that are public knowledge. I haven’t watched yours yet though.