It wasn’t until she called the number the next day that she learned the police had called immigration agents on her. The officer who answered the phone told her that the police report noted that ICE had been contacted, and advised her not to make a report in person or risk being detained, she said.
The only good cop is a cop that snitches and tells you not to trust the other cops.
I know I’ll get downvoted to hell for this, but I have to stick up for the big Texas metros, especially Austin and Houston. They are in a constant battle against fascist state government as well as federal fuckery. The police department is legally required to alert the appropriate agencies of any open warrants. If they do not comply, the state and federal government will step in. What they are NOT required to do is to warn the victim against possible ICE detention. That is just HPD trying to do better in what is essentially a fucked situation.
SOURCE: Former Austin resident of over twenty years.
PS: That is not to say that those police departments don’t have their issues. They have many. But I don’t think they are as complicit with Trump’s gestapo as the majority of Florida law enforcement is.
If they do not comply, the state and federal government will step in.
So the defense is, to avoid having state and federal jackboots come in, the only solution is to put on jackboots yourself and become part of the problem?
You misunderstood. I don’t mean that the state or the feds will send their own people. I mean that they will literally take the police control away from the city government. The Texas legislature has been very close to doing so a number of times before I left because the city did not want to brutalize the homeless population.
The rest of the country has no idea how much and how often Austin city council butts heads with the state. Liberal council and a fascist state sharing the same.downtown area. The state legislature loves to abuse the city as a way to parade their anti-woke agenda to their rural magats.
Don’t even get me started on the gerrymandering of Austin.
You misunderstood. I don’t mean that the state or the feds will send their own people. I mean that they will literally take the police control away from the city government.
If they already have the local police doing their dirty work, haven’t they already effectively done that?
Dude… He’s explaining to you the shitty and hard situation there and you’re just being obtuse
Listen, I get it that the Austin PD, as the example here, are doing their best. I get it that they aren’t their own ultimate masters. All those points are made. I’m also GLAD that the APD are doing what they can within their rules to warn residents that these actions are happening. Yes thats good.
However, thats approach of harm reduction, not harm avoidance. The good folks of the APD are being used as tools to carry out the harm though. They may not want to, but they are. Is anyone claiming different? The state doesn’t need to take over the APD to get the harm the state wants done. The question, and its a rhetorical one, is “where is the line?”. At what point is it better to say “no, I won’t do that” and be replaced by the state? I fear that day will come, but it needs to be examined now, before the state asks for something worse.
Aren’t all police agencies required to check on your warrants and report those to whatever jurisdiction they are from?
But as far as ICE, are you saying the Houston police are required to report people to ICE?
Aren’t all police agencies required to check on your warrants and report those to whatever jurisdiction they are from?
Yes
But as far as ICE, are you saying the Houston police are required to report people to ICE?
No. In fact, cities like Houston and Austin try to not volunteer information that they are not required to by law. If you read the article you’ll see that the lady that called the police has an active deportation warrant, which is why the police officer was obligated to notify ICE and also why the police officer told her to not show up.
Nah, only snitch cops are good cops, and the responding officer just quietly filed the notification to ICE. He could have said right then “FYI, I had to notify ICE because they have an active warrant out for you” or if he was an especially good cop “forget” to, but he just quietly followed orders and reported the victim to the gestapo.
Voting Republican is voting for evil.
And on foreign policy, voting Democrat is voting for evil.
And on foreign policy, voting Democrat is voting for evil.
And hyping that sort of bullshit is how you get Donald Trump’s current foreign policy. There is no universe in which Donald Trump is a better alternative for domestic or foreign policy.
You absolute sack of hammers.
Liberalism: believing two things cannot be evil at once.
clorokenism:
Disregarding the objectively worse current administration’s current attrocities in order to chirp the old administration.
Goal directed behavior designed to supress and deflect criticism of Donald Trump.
You sack of hammers.
Top mind of Lemmy here, folks.
Top mind of Lemmy here, folks.
Non sequitur for you to look at, folks.
Right. Because the current administration is doing such an amazing job with that lmao
I was contributing to the Original Commenter’s (OC’s) opinion.
Republicans are pure evil, both on domestic and foreign affairs. We can drop the qualifier because they’re evil on both.
Democrats on the other hand make modest improvements to people’s lives domestically, if at all, while supporting the same policies towards foreign affairs.
I’d prefer a party that respects human rights domestically and foreign, as well as foreign countries’ sovereignty.
The party that supports that has been systematically denied power for decades.
This is exactly the use case for not allowing cops to actively help ICE. Not only are there jurisdictional issues, but now you’re discouraging people from calling help when they need it
Similar for drivers licenses. If you get into an accident, do you prefer the other driver to be licensed and insured, and take responsibility, or do you want them uninsured and hit and run?
And SNAP. Please tell me no state requires immigration status, forcing people to starve their kids
Austin, Houston, and San Antonio have been working for years to try and build a non-adversarial relationship with the massive hispanic population in their area. This is key to keeping crime rates low and communities safe. Millions of dollars and thousands of hours spent on community outreach and relationship building, and Trump just takes a shit on it all overnight.
discouraging people from calling help when they need it
This is literally why they’re doing it. Government makes simply existing illegal for a huge class of workers so companies abuse them as much as they want while they’re too scared to call for help, no matter how bad it gets. Bonus points if the general population hates them too so even publicity doesn’t matter. (Hey, totally unrelated, isn’t it great how convicts are so heavily vilified for life?) I know the phrase is way overused, but The Cruelty Is The Point isn’t (only) about how psycho some of these people are, it points to how they’ll do anything for money.
In the end, though, this a great way for gangs gain power. People aren’t going to stop calling for help, they’re going to stop calling the police for help. I guess the party of law and order would love a good crime wave.
Hey, totally unrelated, isn’t it great how convicts are so heavily vilified for life?
murders someone in cold blood
WhY dO yOu HaTe Me sO mUcH
The only reason I’ve ever seen to call the cops was when someone sped through a light, gained air over a hedge, and smashed hood first into a building. And that was just because i wanted the ambulance to get to them fast.
Noise? Never.
Fights? Never.
Strange noises. Never.
Etc etc.
All they do is cause more problems.When you’re a woman getting the shit beat out of you by a man who could easily kill you (this is the case for the majority of men to the majority of women) and its call the cops or be seriously fucked up or killed it’s a pretty easy choice to make. Domestic violence is often one sided or at least one sided in who is able to defend themselves, it’s not a fight when one side is wildly out matched
Yeah, calling other domestic abusers to protect you is definitely the best way to deal with your abuser. It definitely won’t upset them more and will surely lead to everyone being resolved.
You’re right they should just… get killed instead then?
Or kill their abuser. If the situation is that dire, then the cops aren’t going to make it in time anyway.
If they kill their abuser, they are actually likely to end up in jail themselves.
Up a little in Oklahoma, that’s why we have one of the highest incarceration rates of women in the states/world - a lot of those women are in there for fighting back.
DV is a fucked if you do, fucked if you don’t situation.
Your dog will not be shot.
I completely understand. But there are other numbers that can be called.
what, the domestic abuse hotline with one person at the call center located at the other side of the country? that will then proceed to call the police anyways?
be realistic
Realistic? Where in a thread about calling the cops and the cops calling ICE on the victim.
I don’t know how much more realistic you want to get.
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if there’s a breaking and entering you probably have more chance reasoning with the trespasser than having anything good come from pigs showing up.
Depends on your melanin content unfortunately. Fuck racist pigs
My general rule of thumb is this:
Is this activity threatening to harm the lives, health, or well-being of anyone? Is this activity going to infringe on anyone else’s inalienable human rights (to live, bodily autonomy, to exist without constant fear… Stuff like that)?
If the answers to both of these is a concrete “no” then I do nothing. I mind my own goddamned business and move along.
If someone is doing something that can and likely will end up with someone seriously hurt or dead, then yeah, I’ll call and let someone know. Hopefully they can do something before anyone is seriously harmed. If one civilian is being mentally or physically abused by another, and I’m not in a position to intervene in a productive manner, then yeah, I’ll call for that too.
If nobody is getting harmed, either mentally, physically, or financially, then I couldn’t give any fewer shits. It’s illegal? That’s nice. The law can only be enforced if people who are tasked with enforcing it, take action. If they’re not here, I don’t feel any obligation to rat out someone who I don’t know anything about. Maybe they’re destitute because capitalism, or they’re down on their luck, or something… They have a whole life story that I have absolutely no knowledge of.
Also, I don’t consider corporations to be people (despite what the law might say), and if there’s material/financial harm to a corpo, it would be impossible for me to give any less of a shit that whatever is happening, is happening. Whether theft, or destruction of property, or whatever… No shit will be given for your corpo overlords and/or shareholders. You all can get fucked. So if someone is stealing from… Idk, Wal-Mart? And I saw that happen… Then I didn’t see anything officer. I don’t know what you’re talking about. That is an innocent person who has done nothing wrong. Where did they get the Walmart store-brand thing that they didn’t pay for? I’m not sure, they probably had it with them before entering the store. I certainly didn’t see them take anything that they shouldn’t have.
Don’t be a rat. Mind your own business; as long as nobody is getting hurt… and if someone is getting hurt, do everything in your power to resolve the situation before resorting to a call to the police. It’s actually really simple.
what? fuck off with this acab bullshit, it’s not all black and white, if there’s a knife fight in the neighbor’s house i’m calling the police, and i’m appalled that there’s someone who wouldnt.
what do you suggest, getting stabbed yourself? ignoring it and letting an innocent human being die? how would you even sleep with that at night?
the problem is they never check who’s who before they start shooting. there are numerous instances where the person who calls the police for protection is the one who gets shot.
so your choice is between a stabbing and a shooting. and a stabbing you might be able to run away from.
this sounds awfully similar to “man or bear”
just because police are uncompetent pigs who sometimes shoot the caller, doesn’t mean that in the majority of the cases they’ll shoot them.
And just because you have that 1% risk of getting wrongly shot (could be lower, pulled the number out of my ass) doesn’t mean you should try to face the very real and instant threat of another person trying to stab you.
that 1% risk
In the context of the US, i’d say 1% is probably the percentage of actual competent, professional, relatively unbiased cops.
availability bias, there are so many traffic stops, checkups, calls, etc every day that go just fine and you never hear about, and of those that end in the news, BWCs have proven police right in most cases
and just as man vs bear, you have to be very privileged to not get why bear is the popular choice.
yes, having a functioning brain is very privileged in these trying times, thanks for the acknowledgement
that doesn’t even make sense… having a functioning brain prevents you from understanding why the bear was a popular choice?
no, it makes me understand the levels of delusion and irrealism (and the inability to do math) people have, be it with man or bear or ACAB
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i mean you were the one who brought up not calling the police on fights, soo
Ok bootlicker
For additional context, immigration law includes specific carveouts for domestic abuse. Under the law, a victim of domestic violence cannot be deported legally regardless of their immigration status.
Party of no law and no order.
Sounds like it’s time to not cooperate with the Houston Police in any investigation. Take matters into your own hands.
sounds like it’s (long past) time to not cooperate with the
Houstonpolice in any investigation.FTFY.
She’s clearly a trouble-maker, keeps getting into fights.
/s I hope this wasn’t needed…
You have the right to a speedy deportation, anything you say may not fucking matter at all because you sound like your skin is brown so we’re deporting you regardless.
When this is over, we need to fill the concentration camps with ICE agents. Every last one of them needs to be disappeared.
Don’t trust police. Don’t trust Ice. Protect yourself.
