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    Liberalism cannot even protect their own liberal values so let’s not protend they’d really try and fix broken systems

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    My girlfriend thinks capitalism is fine and doesn’t care about billionaires existing.

    She’s never had a minimum wage job or worked in the service industry 🙄

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    Some liberals don’t even think there’s a problem. They think movements like MAGA and Brexit are just low information voters being riled up by algorithms and populists.

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      They don’t just think they’re low information voters, liberals make completely casual attributions to low IQ i.e. scientific racist garbage but completely normalized.

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        Bonus points for jumping onto latinos and blacks who didnt turn out for Biden/Harris and immediate show that they are deeply racists twats who just virtue signaled before, to get these communities to vote for them.

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        There’s a ton of people on all sides of the political spectrum who are low information because they do not understand how to vet sources.

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            Only if you accept Marxist/leftist theory as facts and you shouldn’t dothat since so much is unproven or proven to not be true. This is true for any political theory

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              Pure mind palace stupidity. You’re walking extremely worn paths used by people who are stupid but trying to sound smart. The “everyone is wrong” armchair wisdom that serves no purpose other than giving you an excuse to not investigate your own words.

              You don’t even seem to know what ‘marxist/leftist’ theory is categorically but you have the vague notion that ‘so much’ is disproved.

              Put actual brain work behind that statement. I’m sick of watching you get treated with deference despite your bad faith and proud ignorance.

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          Yes, only a tiny fraction of the population can be part of the enlightened liberal elite that votes correctly like you and magically makes crapitalism function properly for everyone.

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                I spent my weekend protesting ICE and feeding people in a soup kitchen. What the fuck are you doing to make things better for anyone else?

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                  Yeah protesting ICE, soup kitchen volunteer and anti-communist cold warrior arguing in favor of capitalism and whining about tankies on lemmy. The libertarian type of imaginary liberal lol.

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      to some degree its true. they just fail to grasp what lies beneath it, for one reason or another.

      why are those people choosing to be low information? how can algorithms be so effective and whos paying for it? why and how are populists so effective in rounding up a nation’s worth of fascists…?

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      Holy fuck this is spot on.

      I’m so tired of hearing “they’re so racist”

      It’s such a terminating clause. Like we don’t need to actually understand at a deeper level why guy born a Mexican, still is Mexican but is voting for Trump because… They’re racist against Mexicans???

      I’m so done with the left. It’s so tiring. They even adapt their messages. I can go back 15 years and still see the exact comments of “they’re racist” while right wing dominate spaces seem to come up with new things every 6 months. Soy cuck Wojack probably conjures up a whole era all our minds right? What about “man they’re racist” what does that conjure up?

      The left should lose the right to call anyone low information voters until they sort themselves the fuck out

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        They are racist though though. Non white people can still accept and prop up systemic white supremacy. Anyone who supports the US or NATO is doing this. I see it all the time among my family and friends who are not white. To leftists racism isn’t just prejudice based on race, its prejudice based on race + the power in society to enforce that as a system. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prejudice_plus_power

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          Even better to my point then that the right was more effective with using it. Something about the left is super passive which is weird because they’re so loud with what they’ll do one day if ever they had the opportunity to do something about the thing they’re really mad at for that day they’ll totally do it.

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            I mean the internet is the worst place to do politics so idc if the right used some meme I made up. Want to do politics go outside, it was campaigning and canvassing that won the election for Zohran, it’s also what got Die Linke 10% of the vote in Germany. Real politics happens in the real world. Yeah the right wing is loud online, but they’re fucking cowards in real life. Most of the leftists I know are doing shit in real life not posting. FYI I told the wojack joke in real life then somebody posted it on the web, same with shocked pikachu also a joke told in real life. You’d be suprised how much doing stuff in real life achieves.

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              Everything is online. Nobody knows you knocked on doors in the neighborhood while people were eating supper. After supper people are logging into their favorite social media and engaging with content. Content which right now is leaning heavily on the right and affecting generations. I’ll argue all day that everything you said is exactly what the left is fucked and totally losing everything for the foreseeable future.

              Zohran I hope to God succeeds but he’s going to need so much support online and the left removed themselves from every platform, they have no connection, structure or voices to organize online, they have no tools to assist. They all hate AI. They think every platforms is racist except fully leftist ones.

              TPUSA, Heritage foundation, Cato institute, Koch Bros fucking UFC and barstool sports are all going to really amplify and sabotage Zohran. They have so many ins with business and media, they’ll all self sandstone sabotage to make sure the numbers can be amplified ONLINE to as many people as possible. The left is so far behind the times, they have no ability to counter this very foreseeable future.

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                You’re right. I’m one of the ones who got offline from the big social media sites. Honestly, I feel like it’s a civic duty and have tried to convince everyone of Fediverse accounts and have failed. I also don’t know what’s going on in my friend’s lives, and I even got off Bluesky due to tracking or some other offense I can’t remember. But I can tell you for sure, once the US gov becomes destabilized enough, that data collection from all these years will be abused to the point that all the people in the “I have nothing to hide” club are seriously going to regret being on Facebook and Instagram, etc. This surveillance state is going to be awful when they succeed, and they will.

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                  I did do for the same reasons. But I question if this speeds things up.

                  If I was a big think tank charged with changing the public opinion to favor the right wing, my first thing I’d advise you to do was remove political opponents from the view of the general public.

                  Then once the area has been cleared, it’ll be cheaper to flood the zone with messages and opinions and content that shapes public opinion you favor the view I want.

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                Lol ok mr very online guy. You know that those media organisations you mentioned are all funded by billionaires. People like me aren’t funded because we say stuff that is uncomfortable and I don’t give a shit about appeasing advertisers. The biggest difference you can make is in the real world, being there for your community volunteering tennant unions etc. Posting is the lowest effort and easiest thing you can do. Actual struggle happens in real life.

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                  Then why the fuck do you people show up to protest??

                  How does it make any sense to you that people will drive miles to some street and stand around while police kick your heads in. You cannot argue protesting publicly is effective yet engagement and capture online is not. What is really fucking crazy is how a lot of the left are convinced a public protest is Mecca while online engagement (which every one is putting money into as you said) is crap.

                  Almost like the people who put money into the effective methods are convincing their opponent to do the ineffective thing while they convince them the effective methods that they’re all invested in is useless.

                  They’re funding what you are doing for free right now. It’s insane how thick minded so many of you are. Every comment or content you all make costs them money to counter. It’s a numbers game. It costs you nothing. Take every protester willing to show up in the streets and teach them how to create media.

                  The left is cooked. So much brain rot on the left. You’re all calling people who have beat you in every arena as low information. Yet they beat you all, everywhere. How’d that no Kings protest work out?

                  Online is where opinions are shaped and formed. It’s a force multiplier. I’m so done with the left. Have no idea what they’re doing. It’s like watching people click their fingers in a park all over again.

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    Is liberal used here in the correct sense or in the USA sense? I can never tell which it is in English

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    “Okay one second can someone draw each side as dark seid and batman so I can understand what’s going on?”

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    When a capitalist system collapse, the always make an reset with a war.

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        Yes, but the current heatwave in Spain I was not going to put here all Lenin’s manuscript here because of an axiom like this.

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    “We can’t take that chance.” “You always say that! I want to take a chance!”

    This is still the best Simpsons episode ever.

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      Which episode is this? Cause it’s really bugging me that I can’t place it. I want to say it’s the Globex / Scorpio episode, but I can’t say for sure.

      And I will politely disagree about it being the best episode. If it is the Scorpio one, it’s still very, very, good. But S01 E05 Bart the General will always be my favorite.

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        You Only Move Twice S08E02 For me it’s the best. I love Hank Scorpio and the joke density in that episode is insane. It’s one great joke after another.

        “Have you ever seen a man say goodbye to a shoe?” “Hehe, yes once.”