In those few, extremely rare cases are enough to fuck up a nation’s politics, immigration isn’t the problem.
They’re rare, but not impossible, esspecially when it comes to the involvement of powerful/rich governments, corporations or individuals. We already have enough of that, no reason to make it easier for effectively no gain.
Edit: esspecially considering that ability to chose the location your child is born in is based primarily off wealth rather than moral character or anything else positive.
Making immigration more difficult already benefits the wealthy. Not having birthright citizenship won’t change that.
Citizens are already being born without any questions about their character. And voting. And changing politics. Because foreign influence doesn’t come from some kind of sleeper agent citizen who was bred to take down governments, it comes through social media, embargos, lobbying and data harvesting—which is way easier than some kind of Bourne Identity plot.
But it’s become clear you’re arguing in case of a specific worst case scenario that I don’t believe is any more likely when jus soli comes with few or no conditions.
Unkess you have specific data to support jus soli’s direct responsibility for the modern day manipulation by foreign influence, I don’t want to continue this conversation.
Making immigration more difficult already benefits the wealthy. Not having birthright citizenship won’t change that.
I think you’re misinterpreting my intentions. I believe that making immigration and citizenship easier is best. I just also believe that Jus Soli is an ineffective band-aid solution, that doesn little to help the common man.
I’m not informed enough to be very specific in execution, but in my mind, immigration should be extremely generous. Ideally, I’d say it should be effectively unlimited, but I know there are economic considerations that need to be taken into account, such as the rate of housing construction. That said, I don’t feel confident enough to outline specifics beyond that. I have nothing against immigrants or immigration.
Its purely citizenship, and the political power it involves specifically that I believe shouldn’t be given out based on geographic location at one instant alone. Given that its effectively giving you power to change how the country is run, it should be given to those who are directly affected by how the country is run. Ideally, I’d almost want a system where someone can’t be more invested in a different country, although again, I’m not sure about specifics. Prehaps something along the lines of a limit of how much property can be owned outside the country relative to within the country, so regular people qualify easily, but someone can’t get citizenship while they own a dozen houses elsewhere. Again, I’m not an expert, and not trying to advocate for a specific solution, just that immigration be made easier and citizenship shouldn’t be something you can buy.
They’re rare, but not impossible, esspecially when it comes to the involvement of powerful/rich governments, corporations or individuals. We already have enough of that, no reason to make it easier for effectively no gain.
Edit: esspecially considering that ability to chose the location your child is born in is based primarily off wealth rather than moral character or anything else positive.
Making immigration more difficult already benefits the wealthy. Not having birthright citizenship won’t change that.
Citizens are already being born without any questions about their character. And voting. And changing politics. Because foreign influence doesn’t come from some kind of sleeper agent citizen who was bred to take down governments, it comes through social media, embargos, lobbying and data harvesting—which is way easier than some kind of Bourne Identity plot.
But it’s become clear you’re arguing in case of a specific worst case scenario that I don’t believe is any more likely when jus soli comes with few or no conditions.
Unkess you have specific data to support jus soli’s direct responsibility for the modern day manipulation by foreign influence, I don’t want to continue this conversation.
Have a good one.
I think you’re misinterpreting my intentions. I believe that making immigration and citizenship easier is best. I just also believe that Jus Soli is an ineffective band-aid solution, that doesn little to help the common man.
I’m not informed enough to be very specific in execution, but in my mind, immigration should be extremely generous. Ideally, I’d say it should be effectively unlimited, but I know there are economic considerations that need to be taken into account, such as the rate of housing construction. That said, I don’t feel confident enough to outline specifics beyond that. I have nothing against immigrants or immigration.
Its purely citizenship, and the political power it involves specifically that I believe shouldn’t be given out based on geographic location at one instant alone. Given that its effectively giving you power to change how the country is run, it should be given to those who are directly affected by how the country is run. Ideally, I’d almost want a system where someone can’t be more invested in a different country, although again, I’m not sure about specifics. Prehaps something along the lines of a limit of how much property can be owned outside the country relative to within the country, so regular people qualify easily, but someone can’t get citizenship while they own a dozen houses elsewhere. Again, I’m not an expert, and not trying to advocate for a specific solution, just that immigration be made easier and citizenship shouldn’t be something you can buy.
Edit: fixed a couple typos.