I moved from Visual Basic (3 no less!) to C because I needed to optimize the performance of a software synthesis (like, sound synthesis) application I was developing at the time (mid-1990s). It boggles my mind to this day how much fucking work you had to do just to create a simple window in C. It instantly made clear why UIs at the time were so bad and I went back to Visual Basic for the UI with a compiled C DLL to do the heavy lifting.
There’s no excuse for why UIs are still so bad today.
The “excuse” is more or less the 20 or so replacements that have been made and died. I think Microsoft alone is responsible for 5 over the life of Windows.
We’ve more or less kinda settled on HTML only because it’s already wide spread. But it’s not perfect so more standards for the standards pile. Don’t worry, react will end up buried by the next thing on the pile eventually.
We’ve more or less kinda settled on HTML
It’s funny, one of the modern UI glitches that I hate the most is when a long bit of text is just truncated with ellipses instead of the whole thing being shown and you have to hold the mouse over to get it in a tooltip, or shudder actually click on the thing. HTML is great at word-wrapping and allowing the whole UI to “flow” with variable heights and widths as necessary - and yet that is never allowed to happen in apps.
can your React do that?? didn’t fackin think so dabs mockingly
How I love mista azozin…
this is like when I built that web server in x86 assembly lol.
This. This project drained my soul lol.
I once write a web app in C, but this terrifies even me… though Tsoding, the guy in the video, did that, too…
My favorite so far is either my websever in bash or my webserver in Common Lisp. my webserver in C was fun too though
I bet that thing was fast!
yeah, in one sense it was lol.
I mean, just because you implemented something in a low level lang, it doesn’t mean you’re gonna have the fastest implementation. Even in high level langs, there’s usually heavy optimization involved in things that are done all the time (e.g. web servers)
React Native
I’m still waiting for the day we get a proper alternative to JavaScript.
If I had to make one, it would have a Bash-like syntax
I see your pitiful vibe coding and raise you… SPITE CODING 👿
Spite coding is almost the original coding.
I have definitely gone into a rageful fugue state and woken up a week later after reworking an entire code base from being an inconsistent mess of slop…
…into actually having a common library of functions instead of just rewriting slightly different versions of them 8 times, having those functions only actually instantiated for necesarry classes…
…rewriting every variable name and function name to an actually consistent and intelligible naming scheme…
… and finally, moving a whole bunch of shit out of some kind of global ‘think’ type loop that doesn’t actually need to be called or checked every goddamned micro second.
Done that more than once actually.
Never look inside ‘baby’s first video game mod’ code, unless you have healthy blood pressure.
But uh yeah, spite, hatred, and anger are indeed powerful motivators for making good code, lol.
… so many idiots just jam everything into a global, called every tick loop, and then claim that it just can’t be optimized, because “the game engine just can’t handle it”…
I spent a good fraction of my career taking over and trying to fix code bases that my company refused to scrap and replace outright because they didn’t want to admit their worthlessness. Complete rewrites would have taken maybe a tenth of the time I spent.
My favorite thing to encounter (which was nearly universal) was the phenomenon of a young programmer fresh out of college encountering SQL for the first time, deciding he hated it, and writing a huge mess of code to handle auto-generating the necessary SQL. I remember taking over one C# application that had classes named “AND.cs” and “OR.cs” which just took a String as a parameter and returned that String with " AND " and " OR " appended to it, respectively. In about an hour, I replaced three months of this guy’s work that had bottlenecked the project with like five SQL statements.
It’s insane to think what the civil engineering world would be like if it had the career structure of the software world.
Jesus Fucking Christ.
I’ve done a lot of SQL/Database type work as well, and yep, I’ve been the person learning their insane spider web of db structures, and then either trying to enforce some kind of actual defined standards going forward, or in some instances, succeeding at restrucuring the dbs, transitioning them, and convincing corporate that this actually needed to be done.
It’s insane to think what the civil engineering world would be like if it had the career structure of the software world.
Points at understaffed ATC tower, collapsing bridge that hasn’t been even evaluated in a decade, general state of roadway disrepair and constant re-repair, also the new highway/overpass/lane expansion being built to ‘solve traffic’ despite doing that literally never working
Holy shit, have we worked with the same guy?
First thing I tell my interns: “The guys that made that database are smarter than you, they got PhD’s for the algorithms the database uses. You are going to use SQL properly, and query properly, because the database will always do it better than your python code.”
Nah, we’ll just SELECT * from both tables and loop through the arrays in JavaScript to associate the records.
Job interviewer: “What’s the best sorting algorithm for {whatever}?”
Me: “The SORT BY clause in SQL.”
./clears_throat.shThe engine doesn’t suck. I do. I suck.
I prefer the term “spite-driven development”.
I wrote an SDL replacement but worse after SDL refused to work with audio streams for me even after a week of googling, it took me the same amount to get it work with WASAPI directly as looking up audio streams, instead of the many easymp3playback.dll type solution. Another one week was making ALSA working. At least it’s in D, so I have an easier time with development.
I also almost was involved with a YanSim clone development called “Love Letter: My True Feelings”, but shit just started to hit the fan (character designer just left), so I decided to not get involved as a coder.
This reminds me. I got a search engine to build.
Vibe coding in assembly.
I tried vibe coding a simple assembly program and it couldn’t do it
What’s this dude talking about?! Everyone knows no one hates React like people who code in React 😂 No one is gonna get pissed off watching this.
I used to be a React dev. The only thing I hated more than React was my boss.
I remember years ago when React was the savior of web apps Swooping in engineers from the clutches of JQuery and AngularJS (not to be confused with Angular 2+). Components we’re gonna make things simpler than the mess of JS files and global state.
And generally that’s true but we’ve traded that off for a mess of hooks and 700 line nested functions in nested functions and obtuse rules that only apply to react and not JS.
Complex web apps are hard.
Do React devs really hate React?
I think it’s great and I’ve been working with it for 6 years. Many issues were resolved over time. We didn’t even have hooks back when I started! Those were dark times. And the new compiler helps with memoization.
Isn’t the adage that you either have haters or no users?
I don’t, but it can be really annoying when I accidentally fall for a common trap that I supposedly know how to avoid after all these years! Gah.
Umm this is just being retro. Like using a film camera.
Raw film is objectively higher quality than raw digital. Are you saying that C is objectively higher quality than Rust?
Excerpt film isn’t objectively better…
That’s what your original comment was eluding to, so I was confirming with you that that’s what you meant.
Data visualization ≠ UI and signal processing is traditionally done in C
That looks like buttons in the thumbnail, on the left of the visualisation.
I’d say that’s enough to call it UI.UI. User Interface. The bridge between a system and a user. So anything, literally any information transfer from the user to the system OR from the system to the user, is a User Interface.
A definition so broad as to be useless.
Is it a UI when someone calls memcpy to move data from a file to a screen buffer?
Not it isn’t.
A command line literally is a UI.
You seem to be confusing GUI and UI?
You seem to be confusing C stdlib with a CLI?
This isn’t hard, you’re just trying to make it to be.
Memcpy from a file to a screen buffer is as much a UI as pouring water in a pot is a soup.
I did not make this definition. However, this does not give you the freedom to make up your own definition and treat it as a fact. Don’t spread wrong information.
Would you agree that the dashboard of a car is UI? If so, isn’t that just data visualization?
Dashboard is a UI fed by signal processing code which is the backend.
Lakh views? 🤔
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There used to be a UI library on the Amiga called MUI.
It used a bunch of C macros to let you define the window and all the controls. Was honestly pretty good considering it was like 30 years ago.
It was a pleasure to work with!
Right? I can’t tell you how disappointed I was to move to a “real” PC later and find the tools to be so much worse. Like you could position stuff with a GUI in VB or Delphi, but if you wanted to resize a window, it was a real faff to get everything moving about as it should.
There is another called ImGui which is also cool! Written in C++.
Unrelated but there is microui, a 1100 loc library in ansi C for a basic UI.
What’s React?
React is a Javascript based web development programming language developed by Facebook to make pages run faster and better. I learned it as part of a MERN stack full web development course.
to make pages run faster and better.
Huh, well that’s a funny way of saying “break the model of web page as document and fuck up the entire web!”
Oh stop it. Are you saying you don’t enjoy pressing the “Back” button in your browser, but staying on the same page. Therefore breaking the page so you refresh and lose whatever the fuck you were doing? /s
Yea let’s go back to index.php and the 5 second load time for every clicked button
Yeah because documents are limiting and we want to do stuff that executables can do but with a better distribution model.
Shoulda been something more like Java Web Start.
Maybe. But performance, availability, and security killed a number of viable options. Flash was always more ubiquitous than Java on the web but it eventually died too.
Flash was also cancer that ruined web pages.
The reason Java Web Start wasn’t, was specifically because once you clicked on the link, it downloaded the app and started it as a real desktop application, with its own window and taskbar entry and whatnot. It didn’t rely on being embedded in HTML (I’m specifically not talking about Java applets, BTW – they sucked too) or manipulating the DOM for its UI; it could use Swing and have the same look and feel as a native application.
Javascript based web development
programming languageUI libraryUsed for rendering UIs on a Document Object Model. JS was a mistake.
I’m an elitist asshole and I hate that people say “react dev” when really it’s “web dev that uses react”
react devs are not web devs. they’re special
Is this distinction really all that useful?
I suppose you could write a react app that doesn’t use “the web”? But you still might just say they are a react developer.
I think the web part refers to web technologies.
Yeah I guess I’m old. Seems like everything is called “web dev” these days.
I was answering a question somewhere related to something like C/C++ and Operating System level stuff. Someone replied asking where I learned “web dev.” I would consider that general programming, or possibly systems programming, but certainly not “web dev.”
