Is this the guy who makes alt right comics?
Edit: yeah, it’s George Alexopoulos. They’re a good artist, but they’re pretty nasty. I wouldn’t post their stuff.
I’ve seen a few great Linux memes with this, but I think the biggest insult would be for people to use it as a template for things he doesn’t believe in.
Mockery is the sincerest form of insult. I hope this meme lasts forever.
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It’s hard to look away from a train wreck; I don’t blame you for looking. But perhaps it’s better to avoid that type of behavior, altogether.
This is an edit, original had the bible
I never knew why people need to conflate the personality or political opinions of the artist with the art they make.
In my opinion, even if the artist is a terrible human being they can still produce some good art. And even if the art they produce is crap, it can still prove valuable, as it can be parodied, modified, transformed or mocked.
Are you ignoring the fact that the artist in question specifically makes anti-left propoganda? Like it’s literally their entire identity to try (and fail) to make fun of leftist politics
Yes, I am. Depending on whom you base your ideas on what art is you can defend the case that art has two main components - its conceptual (the political or other ideas of the artist) and its perceptual part (the craftsmanship).
In this case the conceptual part of the work is completely removed, leaving only the craftsmanship. I see no problem in sharing this, and I see no possible slippery slope here.
In short, just because someone is a fascist does not mean they can’t be a good craftsman, and should not be seen and analyzed. Take for example Adolf Dassler’s Adidas.
Quite frankly, I would also love to see what the original cartoon looks like. Not because I would agree with it, but because I want to know how extreme rightwingers represent me (or us, I guess). I want to know how their propaganda looks like. And I personally believe we should all know and care about it, if we want to combat it successfully.
Are you deliberately trying to be incoherent?
You said:
I never knew why people need to conflate the personality or political opinions of the artist with the art they make
And I asked you if you are ignoring the fact that the arts intended purpose is political.
Now u r on some shit about the aesthetic qualities which has nothing to do with your original argument.
It’s not “conflation” when the thing is itself literally what people take it as.
Also! Op was just asking a question dude. They weren’t condemning the meme. Ya gotta chill
I suggest looking through his twitter feed (not saying you didn’t) and paying close attention to the depiction of (not/) favoured men/ women. Twitter links warning In this cartoon (twitter) you can see the unnecessary sexualisation, while this one shows the exact opposite (cuz political enemy and black, idk). Also: Usual depiction of Joe Biden, heavy incel vibes and a masterpiece in bigotry. Make of that what you will, but I think stripping all his influence out of his cartoons would be more work than actually drawing new ones.___
Okay but tbf the arch wiki is probably the only source of online documentation that is actually up to date lol.
I abuse it for literally every stupid corner case on any distro
Cause literally everything is in the wiki, written out very simply. Rewriting that in a chat and email would be counter productive.
It’s the same shit as working tech support, no one EVER reads manuals or does standard troubleshooting, they instantly jump to asking people for help which forces them to just read out the manual and troubleshooting steps first instead of actually helping those who need help…
If people could learn to take care of the fundamentals themselves and only ask for help when actually needed, everyone would be better off.
I’m too much of an internet introvert to ask people my problems, I just spend 1h debugging and reading the wiki
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As a fellow ex-help desk guy :tm:. I just want to say that A) I feel you but also B) the very fact that you know no one reads manuals should be an indication that expecting them to is a flaw. Instead most people generally do better with hands on coaching. Idk about your job, but back when I was working help desk I got way better results when I let people just be people and patiently guided them through the steps. Most of them catch on eventually
I hate that, because when i call tech support i have to listen to them walk me through the basic steps before i get to the parts i need. I try telling them I’ve already worked through basic troubleshooting, but most of them are reading a script for every idiot that calls.
It’s sort of a tragedy of the commons sadly, it’s more effective to just treat everyone like a User than to gamble on people actually knowing what they’re doing.
I’m counting on LLMs to provide tier 1 support eventually.
don’t even need that, i’ve interacted with several companies that use a simple chatbot with pre-programmed responses and honestly? It’s pretty nice and doesn’t feel like bullshit.
Biggest issue is probably that people tend to forget it’s not a human, and ask it 10 run-on questions which makes the software cry.
They have to specifically tell you to ask one question at a time and use as few words as possible…
As a noob to Linux: THERE’S A WIKI? Awesome!
As a mechanic: Everything I deal with comes with an instruction manual that has the steps written out simply… for a mechanic.
If I didn’t ask the simple questions when I first started, despite having the manual available, never would have learned the basics from someone who knows.
I’m not trying to sound combative or anything, just that sometimes a person needs a small stepping stone of an answer to progress.
Hopefully /s
I’ve been bitter enough to copy and paste it into a chatbox.
I get your sentiment on people skipping the reasearch part and jumping to asking help but I wouldn’t say everything is documented tho. Although for the few problems that I did have arch documentation was pretty nice. I myself have an bluetooth bug that I eventually gave up as I couldn’t find a fix to it, that’s the only post I made with this account if u want to look it up. With things constantly changing and the infinite possibilities of config, there will always be some unknown bugs or issues that no documentation can cover.
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Ok brb putting a bunch of shit into that wiki to build my botnet
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Pretty hard to do before you get your GUI up and running…
ctrl-alt-f3
edit: I mean just ssh from a real computer
I’ve never used arch. I haven’t a problem getting a GUI working in Linux since, I think, Mandrake 8. The fuck are you guys doing wrong?
It’s not that complex if you know how, and the wiki will tell you how, but it is something you have to do from the terminal because Arch does not have a default GUI. Also, there is a bunch of stuff you need to install/setup/configure before you get to installing the GUI. The easier distributions usually have a GUI installer that just let you pick these options (most of which you’ll probably leave at default), but Arch doesn’t have an installer, GUI or otherwise, so you have to run many commands on the terminal before you get access to a GUI browser you can use to copy-paste stuff from the wiki.
First time I installed Arch I didn’t have a smartphone and I only had one laptop at my disposal, so I had to print the installation guide from the wiki on physical paper, otherwise I wouldn’t have any access to it when installing Arch.
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lovehate it when it’s a fairly simple issue and the op gets everything but the answer because people just want to talk shit.“Just Google it!”
Proceeds to Google the issue, top result is the same thread.
"hello fellow linux users, I’m having a problem
“you fucking noob, go to the fucking wiki”
lol! this was primarily the reason why i went with endeavourOS. I actually installed arch linux on my laptop later by using archinstall which made the process a whole lot easier, but of course these elitists come out and claim that’s not the “real” way to install arch 🙄
It’s funny because it’s a good suggestion…
I’m having a simple problem
switch distros idiot
I was just getting into Linux desktop development. I asked one question regarding getting the position of a mouse on some Ubuntu developer forum. The response drove me away from developing for Linux and I never returned.
You perhaps could not have known it at that time, but development questions are almost always out of place with a distribution forum. Qt or GTK documentation would probably have been a better stop.
Unlike the wacky original this edit is too real.
what was the original?
Basically the atheist dad yelling and screaming at his daughter for not being gay and not wanting to have abortions. Typical fundie Christians projecting their inner most thoughts and darkest desires onto their opponents thinking.
This hugely diminish how crazy and nonsensical the original was.
This edit had a the order of the panels changed. In the original, the dad burst out screaming “mom found this on your room.” Cue, a shot of the Bible. The girl screams : “god bless you, dad” and in the last panel where she’s running away her dad screams at her to have an abortion like a good atheist.
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Ay thanks
Their wiki is amazing but if I had to be a part of the Arch community to use the distro, I would give it a hard pass. They’re toxic AF.
Eh, the toxic ones are just the loudest, the same applies anywhere else too.
I DON’T KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN!!
-Mandrake Linux. (Is that distro even still around?)
my first linux distro. I got it from a german magazine which came with 6 cds of it.
I got it from a book on my dad’s shelf. 6cds.
It turn into mandriva when mandrake bought conectiva amid a legal battle for the name with a comic books company, owners of the character Mandrake.
The last version was launched in 2011, and the company closed in 2015. Their most prominent derivatives were Open Mandriva, Mageia, PC Linux, and Rosalinux.
Mageia was founded with most of the developers from mandriva (or so Wikipedia says)
Basically Mandrake Linux became Mandriva linux in 2005, then in 2011 the distro was killed due to financial problems, but the community decided to continue the distro, creating OpenMandriva Lx. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenMandriva_Lx
I understand your point but if you end up on their forum through searches, it’s pretty clear that the majority of participants are the loud ones, making it irrelevant how many quiet ones aren’t participating. You’re just reading a topic between someone needing help and a group of people trolling them because they can.
The solution I’ve sort-of found is to go to communities of Arch-based systems instead of Arch itself. The same solution should work in most cases*, and the communities are more newbie-friendly.
*Depends on how close to Arch the distro is in this aspect/subsystem. The Manjaro community is probably less likely to offer AUR based solutions, since the AUR can be unreliable/unsafe on Manjaro.
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That’s one based neck beard
Erased some text for meming. Enjoy.
Here’s the clean template: https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/2730869 (idk how to link to lemmy posts properly)
Arch is literally easier than mint
I used to use Ubuntu on my netbook years and years ago, until I came to the conclusion “dammit, at this point, I would have had easier time if I had just installed Debian to begin with”, and installed Debian
And remember kids, if you do decide to give an answer other than RTFM, make sure to cover all your prompts in tons of awk commands so the noob will never be able to figure out what you told them to do;
I love what you did with the meme
