• coffeebiscuit@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Auto pilot beta? People are willing to test betas for cars? Are you insane? Insurance is going to have a field day.

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      What bothers me is, I have to drive on the road with people running some braindead Elon Musk software?

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      From what i read, Auto Pilot (AP) is just to keep u on your lane while Full Self Driving (FSD) just switches lanes into oncoming traffic.

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        Funny how George Hotz of Comma.ai predicted this exact same issue years ago: “if I were Elon Musk I would not have shipped that lane change”.

        This issue likely arises as the cars sensors can not look “far enough ahead” on the lane it changes to. Which can lead to crashes from behind due to much faster cars and in this case lane confusion aa the car can not see oncoming traffic.

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      Even better, several people have died using it or killed someone else. It also has a long history of driving underneath semi truck trailers. Only Europe was smart enough to ban this garbage.

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      The craziest part of the article is just how much effort the author put into collecting data and filing feedback and really really hoping that Tesla could pull the videos (they can), then went on to actively try and succeeded in recreating the problem at high speed next to another car.

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      Not Auto Pilot (AP). There’s a difference between FSD and AP. AP will just keep you between the lane lines and pace the car in front of you. It can also change lanes when told to. There’s also Enhanced Auto Pilot (EAP). EAP was supposed to bridge the gap between AP and FSD. It would go “on ramp to off ramp”. So it could switch lanes as needed and get to exit ramps. FSD is the mode where you shouldn’t need to touch it outside of answering the nag (the frequent nag to “apply force to the steering wheel” to tell it you are still alive and paying attention)*.

      '* At least I think that’s the same for FSD. I’m only on AP with AP1 hardware. Never had an issue that I’d blame on a “bug” or the software doing something “wrong”.

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    I’m not especially sympathetic to the Tesla drivers this might kill.

    I’m worried about everyone else.

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    It shouldn’t have even been released for normal people to use it in daily life, in real roads full of other cars. This poses a big life risk if you ask me, I hope countries start banning this feature soon otherwise many more other deaths will happen, and Elon somehow will get away with them. What’s so hard about driving a real car manually? Did you all become fatass lazy people that don’t even have the willpower to drive a car? Ridiculous. ML is experimental and for a machine, it’s amazing, but it isn’t as good as a human YET, thus causing life threatening accidents. FSD literally is still in beta, and people are driving full speed in roads with this beta software.

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      It can’t be used in the EU. It would need to pass a review, Elon have claimed they are close to getting it through but Elon says a lot of things.

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        Self-driving cars are actually only legal in a few countries. And those countries have tests.

        It’s only the United States that just lets anyone do what everyone earth it is that they want, even if it’s insanely dangerous.

        Everywhere else any car company that’s espousing self-driving tech would actually have to prove that it is safe, and only a few companies have managed to do this and even then the cars are limited to predefined areas where they are sure they’re not going to come across difficult situations.

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    This is like that show “Upload”; the guy literally gets killed by a car

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    Frankly, it speaks incredibly poorly to the NHTSA that this kind of behavior is allowed. “Beta testing” a machine learning driving assistance feature on active highways at 70+ miles an hour is a recipe for disaster. Calling it Full-Self Driving while also not having guardrails on its behavior is false advertising as well as just plain dangerous.

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      NHTSA hasn’t had a permanent director in years.

      I think NHTSA had a director for like… 2 or 3 months in 2022. But before that, it was blocked in the Senate. And before-before that, it was Elaine Chao’s Department of Transportation and she was incredibly anti-regulation.

      Step 1 is that the citizens need to recognize what has happened to the federal apparatus. We’ve gutted our own government and safety regulators. Not just NHTSA, but also SEC, FTC, etc. etc. The anti-regulators / libertarians have the momentum with regards to laws in the past decade, and this is the natural result.

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    I like my Tesla but there’s no way I’ll be switching that thing on. They’re even calling it beta, what the fuck do people think that means?

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    FFS. He was testing a beta update at 73 miles per hour. Is he really expecting sympathy?