I mean nobody knows where things are headed but returning to the status quo “nothing ever happens” style seems unlikely. Especially since it’s not just the US. Democracies around the globe are struggling.

There are three ways this could end for America, arranged from best to worst for Americans: An overthrow of MAGA followed by progressive rule to fix the underlying causes of this mess, the disintegration of the Union into several medium-sized states and unimpeded MAGA rule in the United States. All of these can be preceded by civil war or all sorts of sociopolitical turmoil, but one of them will happen within the next five years tops. Also, since nothing I’ve seen these past few months convinced me that Americans are capable of taking the reigns of power back from the fascists, what we’re really looking at is either complete disintegration or Nazi Germany. My point being: I don’t know if America will survive, but you better hope it doesn’t.

When I think of US history, unity and stability are probably the last adjectives I’d use. I don’t see this period as notably worse than any other transitional period. Alternatively I’d put it like this; Violence is the only true power in America and as along as the government has a monopoly on it the country will be forced into submission no matter the ruling party.

I don’t consider your a Rule of Law country anymore.

funny thing is there is no real division between the DNC/GOP, they are pretty much a uniparty coalition, it is the backdoor deals they do thats why we have the legislations we do now,(and are not privy to what the DNC and gop do behind the scenes or secretely) and people like trump. the division we see at the voter level, is just bs culture war by the elites to divide the parties, so they cannot turn against the uniparty. Aside from people like madamhi, aoc, and bernie, both parties are just doing performative politics. once in a while the DNC is allowed to throw plebs a bone: positive legislation, but not to the point it hurts the billionaire,eg taxes, or thier businesses.

the amount of DINOS in the DNC, is enough to tell you that they are well tolerated, the gop however cant afford to have any RINOS though.

The split isn’t left/right (what the rest of the world would see as middle/extreme right), but money/workers, and I no longer see a fix. When Citizen’s United decreed that “money is speech” (it isn’t: money is power, and codifying ‘free speech’ was meant as a protection against power), the fix was to overturn that and go further to get money out of politics – but that didn’t happen.

We are in the process of losing everything that made the U.S. worthwhile. Other countries used to try to emulate the U.S. models for things like: public education, research and development, public works (roads, dams, etc.), economic model (and laws restricting it after it crashed), and lack of corruption, including laws to prevent and/or punish the latter. Now we are removing and de-funding all the stuff that made the U.S. attractive and successful. We’re working on becoming the next North Korea rather than the next, say, Sweden.

We seem to have lost all culture except for a love of money and spectacle. There’s no respect for education, Truth, Justice or the like. If an official does something questionable, they get to keep their job and the most their underlings can do about it is resign – and that doesn’t make things better. There ought to be an option where the official has to resign and the underlings who are doing honest work need not fear retribution. Instead, we reward those who can ‘spin’ the narrative or outright lie. The populace ought to be offended by those lies, but instead there is a large number of people who would rather be a good team member than demand honesty.

That’s where money comes in. You pay agents to start or reinforce several ideas, do data tracking to figure out which ones get high “engagement” scores, then campaign on that garbage rather than on anything of substance. Once you win the election, you don’t have to follow through on anything. Just give tax breaks to your backers.

The stark divide is skin deep and will vanish in time. It’s a fight between the right and the far right made to look like something else.

the disconnect between the citizens is too great to fix.

The citizens of both sides have yet to understand that their conflict is not their biggest problem.

The conflict between the classes is much more severe.

Once when this is out in the open, the end might happen. Until then, it is a kind of intermediate state: not the former united states anymore, but no new thing either.

meh

It’s over when it’s over. Not yet imo

I have a feeling that the term “national divorce” is gong to become more common over the next year or so.

Yes