Details of post-summit call were leaked in which US president supports plan for Kyiv to give up Donbas region

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    24 hours ago

    I wrote a longer comment, but to be honest, it all boils down to “Trump is insane.”
    And 77 million Americans that voted for him are either idiots or insane.

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      I believe the number is roughly closer to 160 million. I don’t blame the trump voters, stupid is gonna stupid, but the non-voters…. 245 million registers voters, 155M voted.

      From the song Freewill by Rush, “If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.”

      https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2024-11-15/how-many-people-didnt-vote-in-the-2024-election

      Edit: Me no math good, so that might not add up exactly, but the point remains.

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        Yes if they didn’t try to prevent Trump, they are part of the problem. Except of course if they had a valid reason the were prevented.

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          What? You don’t have to donate shit. You have a choice between the absolute shit show we are in or something that is, at least, stable-ish, malleable, and not a complete fleecing of the not-1%.

          But yeah, go ahead and make an argument for electing a complete fucking clown. A 32 count, twice-impeached, adjudicated sex offending, lying, racist, nepotistic con-man who fucked the Covid situation so bad it was actually surprising, who, being the bestest businessman promises 1500% reduction my drug costs.

          In the meantime, I’ll wait here for my perfect, beautiful healthcare plan while I celebrate the six months since the Ukraine and Russia conflict was solved by our new god king, who for the record, still thinks homeboy literally had MS13 tattooed on his hands.

          JFC. Just stop.

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            Queermunist is a tankie troll cunt who can’t go 15 seconds without equating Democrats to Republicans

          • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
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            No, actually, if you really believed that Trump was Hitler then you really did have to donate. You had an obligation to sacrifice time, money, and effort. You don’t get to do literally the least you could possibly do and then get mad that you lost.

            I’ll take lectures from people who actually did everything they could to defeat Trump. They earned that right.

            But if you did basically nothing you don’t get to self-righteously declare yourself superior to the rest of the US. The fact is, all USAmericans are guilty, but we also all have to work together: Harris voters, non-voters, third party voters, and even Trump voters.

            But yeah, go ahead and make an argument for electing a complete fucking clown.

            I didn’t vote for him, why would I make an argument for him?

            I will say he’s probably senile, and fat and old besides, so he might not even live the full four years. That’d be pretty funny.

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        True, but that kind of falls under the first 2.
        If you are racist you are an idiot or insane.
        Racist is just a specific idiotic or insane opinion. But most of them are absolutely racist.

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      You are probably not a complete idiot or totally insane then. So I feel very sorry for you, it must be hell to live in USA as a normal person.

      Are you playing a lot of computer games to escape reality?

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        Good question. My head is in the sand for a lot of the news cycle. I get most of it from Seth Meyers to ease the delivery with comedy. A broad swath of media consumption does distract me also. I play a lot of backgammon.

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    I honestly don’t think this will change the reality of the situation. Ukraine won’t agree, Europe won’t agree. I think we’re headed for a frozen conflict where Russia claims and controls parts of Eastern Ukraine, but only a few countries recognise the region as being part of Russia.

    Ukraine would need to be able to launch a major offensive to dislodge the Russians from Ukraine entirely, and I don’t see that happening anytime soon. As much as we want them to withdraw from Ukraine, it’s quite clear they have no intentions of doing so. They’re just going to sit tight.

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    Trump’s idea of strength is letting the strong man have whatever he wants. He just usually imagines himself as the strong man.

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    Divided up one of the lesser countries vertically perhaps. How novel.

    Traitors. Russians and Americans. Just fucking garbage stupid bullies.

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    We’ve been through this before in 2014 with that cunt Merkel and the good for nothing, “hope and peace and shit”, Obama.

    EDIT: Some people here might not like what I am saying (which I find surprising considering that Merkel rewarded Putin with Nord Stream II after the invasion of Crimea and Donbas - this is a fact), but this is a very somewhat common view in Ukraine (my use of swearing notwithstanding).

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      Yeah, Obama was good for the US but awful to the world for appeasing Putin via his puppet Medvedev. McCain on the other hand was critical of the Russian invasion of Georgia and had strong ties to the opposition in Russia, so he was well-informed on the situation. He wouldn’t enable Putin to violate international law time and time again.

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        I was actually living in the US when Obama got elected. I got caught up in the Obama hype at the time (I was pretty young).

        While I admit my opinion on Obama started leaning negative in 2014, even when living in the US I didn’t really understand why there was no real prosecution of major financial groups following the the 2008 great recession.

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      22 hours ago

      Many outside of Ukraine don’t realize that this war didn’t start in 2022 but in 2014.

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    How was the speech went “…I have secured peace in our time” and that went well right? Though I suppose that time it was giving land to nazis, now its the nazis giving land?