Flanders Festival Ghent says it made decision over lack of ‘clarity’ about incoming conductor Lahav Shani’s views.
While Shani had spoken in favour of “peace and reconciliation” in the past, his attitude towards the “genocidal regime in Tel Aviv” was unclear given his role as the chief conductor of the Israel Philharmonic Orchestra, the festival organisers said.
Good for them. They didn’t want to give a stage to an active nazi hate group member.
These nazi fucks are everywhere, I’m glad someone is trying to keep them away from public speaking opportunities to spread their religious hate.
It’s funny that what looks like a whole Hasbara team has descended on this, including an account used to moderate a very large lemmy.world forum.
Really shows that this kind of thing really worries the Genociders.
It makes sense - evildoers are fine if they can hide behind Country or Organisation because it lets them evade personal consequences for their actions, but when they personally, as individiuals, with no hidding behind some responsibility diffusing entity, suffer consequences for their own participation in the evildoing, it’s a whole different story.
You actually see their fear of their collective cloak being torn down in some of the very “arguments” they’re using here, such as how Israelis should not be held accountable for the actions of Israel (even those who refuse to simply say “I do not support the Genocide in Gaza”), which is exactly about maintaining the nation working as a responsability diffusing cover.
This tells me we need many more actions like this one in Belgium - make accountable the individuals mass murdering Palestinians or supporting that mass murder.
Lemmy seems to be a lot harder for them to astroturf. If this were on Reddit, they might have been successful.
Is everybody arguing with the same person in here? lol
Too lazy/ADHD to scroll through all the comments; what’s going on down there?
Zionism, I believe
Another death cult by another name
Too many pro Israeli shills
What kind of music festival has a conductor?
It’s an orchestra.
Ones with orchestras clearly.
It seems that every Jewish person is now expected to pass an arbitrary moral purity test in order to participate in polite society.
I see things differently. Condemning genocide is not an arbitrary test related moral purity.
And like Jewish Voice for Peace say:
Never Again For Anyone
as well as
Not in our name
I remember liberals being super angry about conservatives requiring all Muslims to “condemn terrorism.”
Did any western country apologized for their colonial past aka terrorism
kinda one time at least: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apology_Resolution
(If I understand you correctly. I rather hope there are other examples, it would be a weird thing for America to lead the world in.)
And I remember Iranians and Chinese people being refused entry to places because of things their governments did
Please share because I’d like to learn. I can’t think of a single Chinese or Iranian artist who was banned from a performance or display in a European country.
We’re talking about an Israeli, not a Jew. One who has a prominent role in the cultural life of that country. As a “liberal”, I would not have had an issue with questions being asked if some high profile Saudis were invited to a festival in October 2001.
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
You are missing the point. When did he say that he doesn’t condemn genocide?
He is an Israeli citizen and music director of the Israel Philharmonic Orchestra. I’d say he can be seen as representing Israel (Israel, not necessarily the current regime) on a cultural level. Russian athletes can be barred from international events - why is it too much to ask to distance himself from the atrocities in Palestine?
People think this is a personal attack. It’s not (unless this guy actively supports his government). It’s sad that people suffer because of their government actions? Yes. Is it necessary? As a symbolic act of protest against a regime you don’t support, also yes.
I personally don’t understand the logic of this symbolic act of protest, but I often don’t understand how protest is supposed to function. It did pull more attention towards gaza, and attention is everything.
Would a better protest be to keep the invite, but plaster the space with material about the genocide? Let the person quit if this offends them (which would probably be a more sympathetic headline and just as newsworthy) and make a story out of the performance if they don’t (which should be very photogenic).
The logic is telling Israel “your country is not welcome here, we don’t agree with you”, which is different from saying " your people are not welcome here", because only representative are affected
Look at how they never answer your question. It’s incredible how there is people still defend israrl in anyway or shape
Iirc the decision to ban Russian athletes wasn’t on grounds of what putler is doing, rather the widespread doping that they were engaged in that the IOC simply couldn’t pretend they were all individual failures, but rather a systematic engagement of all Russian athletes in doping, and not their support of the regime.
So the analogy of precedence you propose isn’t very relevant.
As the Olympics was set up to involve all nations and races regardless of background and beliefs, I think a discussion on whether the Israeli athletes or representatives should participate in specific such international events (music, sport, etc) should be included or excluded on basis of their regard (or lack thereof) for human rights.
Despite the complete disregard for human rights that Israel is exhibiting today, the Olympics for example, might consider this not grounds for expelling them, whereas a music festival promoting human rights may choose to expel them instead.
The article says that he has previously spoken out in favor of peace and reconciliation. Did you read it?
Even countries who sell arms to isrsel claim to want peace
Yes. But that does not mean, “every jewish person” gets treated like this. They might (because antisemitism is on the rise), but this case is not a good example for that.
And he may have strongly opposed the Netanyahu regime and the article may have watered it down as “in favor of peace and reconciliation” or he may have been paying lip service or whatever. I don’t know that. And yes, this can be a slippery slope: how much is enough “clarity”? Who gets to decide that? And in what cases (Gaza isn’t the only place where atrocities happen)? But people can also think “This is too much. You need to speak up or don’t want to work with you.” without it necessarily being antisemitism.
Doesn’t seem that difficult of a test to pass.
Denouncing genocide is pretty easy to do.
Put another way: if he did denounce it, would he still be leading the Israeli orchestra? Doubtful.
not supporting a genocide is arbitrary?
Why would non Israeli Jews have to denounce the Israeli genocide of the Palestinians?
The conductor was Israeli.
Why are you assuming the religiosity of an Israeli person?
He is literally Jewish.
I have never heard of this type of moral panic over a Palestinian Israeli, or a Druze Israeli for example. It doesn’t seem to be about just citizenship.
Source? The article only confirms that he is Israeli, doesn’t mention his religion at all. Because it’s not fucking relevant.
Russian citizens who refused to condemning the Ukraine invasion have faced similar consequence. There’s plenty of precedent internationally for these sorts of decisions. The only difference here is that Israel has been purposefully supplying propaganda for decades to conflate antizionism with antisemitism.
Yes, he is Jewish. That is his ethnicity. Feel free to look it up.
Where in the article does it say that he refused to condemn anything? It actually says that he has made statements in favor of peace and reconciliation.
Belgian Foreign Minister Maxime Prevot said the cancellation seemed “excessive. …We must not confuse the Jewish community and Israelis with Netanyahu’s policies,”
The German Culture Minister Wolfram Weimer criticized the move as a “disgrace for Europe. …Under the guise of supposed criticism of Israel, a cultural boycott is being carried out here,” he said in a statement.
What’s happening in Gaza is Israeli policy, the majority of them support it.
I have never heard of this type of moral panic over a Palestinian Israeli,
Uh huh
Do you know of an example? I’m always open to learn.
I feel like maybe your confusion comes from the fact that you don’t realize over 20% of Israeli citizens are of Palestinian ethnicity.
Give me a break.
Thought I would put a little work into your question; I checked a random musician from this list and looked for recent news. They’ve literally been doing charity shows to get support for gaza.
It seems like some groups of people in israel feel there is an emergency that cannot be ignored; and some who do not.
Sorry sir your victim card has expired.
How long does that take?
What a disgusting statement, when someone who has spoken up for peace and reconciliation is banned from a European country based on the city where he was born and his ethnicity. It wouldn’t be right for someone from China, it wouldn’t be right for someone from Syria, it wouldn’t be right in ANY circumstance.
nitpick: they were banned not from a country, but from a music hall; no?
Yes, actually that’s fair. A German Philharmonic was canceled from a Belgian festival simply because the conductor is Israeli.
Based on the comments and vote, it seems that most people here think that is justified and appropriate.
Liberal Zionists are no different to any other Zionist, they are just better at dressing up apartheid and genocide in palatable, rhetorically pleasing language for Western audiences. Unless Israelis renounce Zionism and call for full equality of Palestinians they are only there as ambassadors to culture wash the crimes of their colony.
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Would be true if it was a non jewish israeli
Do you deny the genocide in Gaza?
The Israeli Philharmonic Orchestra performs with the IDF Orchestra.
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Soon they’ll have to wear special armbands and the idiots captured by Iranian propaganda still won’t pull their heads out of their asses.
